1 00:01:03,090 --> 00:00:03,290 you're listening to IRA the inception 2 00:01:07,510 --> 00:01:05,290 the extraordinary phenomenon 3 00:01:08,410 --> 00:01:07,520 investigations council presents epic 4 00:01:10,930 --> 00:01:08,420 voyages 5 00:01:12,969 --> 00:01:10,940 come join us as we hitter and experience 6 00:02:03,330 --> 00:01:12,979 the great mysteries of the world with 7 00:02:09,580 --> 00:02:06,640 welcome aboard everybody to epic 8 00:02:13,150 --> 00:02:09,590 voyagers radio show this is inception 9 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:13,160 Radio Network calm I am Laurel tag and 10 00:02:18,910 --> 00:02:17,120 my guest tonight is the inimitable Jim 11 00:02:23,620 --> 00:02:18,920 Marrs and we're going to be talking 12 00:02:26,190 --> 00:02:23,630 about his recently published revision of 13 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:26,200 crossfire the plot that killed Kennedy 14 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:29,120 I'm sure everybody out there listening 15 00:02:35,850 --> 00:02:33,110 tonight knows who Jim is Jim has been a 16 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:35,860 an investigative reporter and an author 17 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:40,970 speaker guest on many television shows 18 00:02:47,410 --> 00:02:43,550 and radio shows over the years 19 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:47,420 Jim is particularly qualified for this 20 00:02:52,090 --> 00:02:49,970 exact topic because he's actually taught 21 00:02:54,130 --> 00:02:52,100 of course on the Kennedy assassination 22 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:54,140 at the University of Texas at Arlington 23 00:03:00,130 --> 00:02:58,130 for 30 years so let's just get right 24 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:00,140 down to it Jim happy birthday a little 25 00:03:06,190 --> 00:03:03,010 bit early yeah well thank you Laurel 26 00:03:09,430 --> 00:03:06,200 happy birthday to you too yes it comes 27 00:03:10,930 --> 00:03:09,440 around here you know in fact come to 28 00:03:16,050 --> 00:03:10,940 think of it it happened to me last year 29 00:03:18,940 --> 00:03:16,060 yeah yeah but you said something about 30 00:03:21,210 --> 00:03:18,950 the memory going as you get older and I 31 00:03:24,250 --> 00:03:21,220 think you're probably right about that 32 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:24,260 well I'm saying the two sure signs of 33 00:03:35,949 --> 00:03:27,200 advancing senility are the loss of 34 00:03:41,949 --> 00:03:38,070 Scorpios have to stick together here 35 00:03:43,810 --> 00:03:41,959 well Jim this we're coming up on the 36 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:43,820 fiftieth anniversary of the 37 00:03:50,470 --> 00:03:47,690 assassination and your book for those 38 00:03:53,050 --> 00:03:50,480 who aren't aware of this served as the 39 00:03:56,770 --> 00:03:53,060 basis back in the early 90s for the 40 00:03:58,420 --> 00:03:56,780 movie crossfire that Oliver Stone put 41 00:04:00,670 --> 00:03:58,430 together and released and you actually 42 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:00,680 were a technical consultant weren't you 43 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:04,070 on the information in that movie was 44 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:08,209 called JFK right my book is crossfire 45 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:11,209 right and the new release is also called 46 00:04:16,030 --> 00:04:12,650 crossfire 47 00:04:20,140 --> 00:04:16,040 same thing Yeah right and I noticed it 48 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:20,150 it's available on Kindle yeah 49 00:04:25,060 --> 00:04:22,490 yeah it is and it's got new photographs 50 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:25,070 in it including a blow-up of the 51 00:04:31,719 --> 00:04:28,010 supporter frame 3 14 where you can 52 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:31,729 plainly see that the driver did not turn 53 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:34,250 and shoot Kennedy so this dispatch with 54 00:04:40,210 --> 00:04:35,990 that particular theory 55 00:04:42,430 --> 00:04:40,220 Wow the the pruder film is is chilling 56 00:04:44,350 --> 00:04:42,440 and to say the least some of the frames 57 00:04:47,010 --> 00:04:44,360 of it honor I'll tell you that's true 58 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:47,020 and but what you will learn in the new 59 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:50,900 updated expanded version of cross bar is 60 00:04:57,070 --> 00:04:55,010 that it is now I think back in the 80s 61 00:04:58,900 --> 00:04:57,080 when I first published crossfire I 62 00:05:00,520 --> 00:04:58,910 alluded to the fact that some of the 63 00:05:03,670 --> 00:05:00,530 researchers are questioning the 64 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:03,680 legitimacy of these proof em and there 65 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:05,210 were those who said that had been 66 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:07,970 tampered with but of course there was a 67 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:10,400 huge argument against that saying that 68 00:05:15,490 --> 00:05:13,070 they didn't have the technology at that 69 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:15,500 time well what you'll find in the new 70 00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:17,930 version of crossfire is yes they did 71 00:05:22,029 --> 00:05:20,750 have the technology yes it was at the 72 00:05:25,540 --> 00:05:22,039 national photographic interpretation 73 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:25,550 center of the CIA the day after the 74 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:27,800 assassination before it was ever turned 75 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:30,590 over to time-life and that yes it's been 76 00:05:37,150 --> 00:05:34,250 tampered with and in fact I have 11 77 00:05:38,620 --> 00:05:37,160 Hollywood film and video experts who 78 00:05:41,290 --> 00:05:38,630 have all looked at it and said well this 79 00:05:44,409 --> 00:05:41,300 is a crude forgery and they have found 80 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:44,419 places on the hollow screw film that we 81 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:47,090 know there was six missing frames which 82 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:50,120 throws the time frame completely off and 83 00:05:55,330 --> 00:05:52,310 what we now know thanks to Japanese 84 00:05:57,909 --> 00:05:55,340 network television because they managed 85 00:05:59,890 --> 00:05:57,919 to get a copy this Neuberger film that 86 00:06:02,260 --> 00:05:59,900 was intact did not have the missing 87 00:06:03,969 --> 00:06:02,270 frames and what we found is that the 88 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:03,979 reason these frames are missing is 89 00:06:09,490 --> 00:06:06,289 because there's very clear evidence to 90 00:06:12,129 --> 00:06:09,500 shot hit the highway sign the students 91 00:06:14,890 --> 00:06:12,139 freeway sign there in didi Plaza well 92 00:06:16,719 --> 00:06:14,900 there's another extraneous bullet and of 93 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:16,729 course trying to say that one person 94 00:06:22,029 --> 00:06:19,310 with a bolt-action rifle can fire three 95 00:06:25,149 --> 00:06:22,039 times in less than six seconds is 96 00:06:26,270 --> 00:06:25,159 pushing reality but when you get four 97 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:26,280 shots and now 98 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:29,250 five shots it's just you know it it 99 00:06:35,629 --> 00:06:33,330 becomes impossible yeah you know I want 100 00:06:39,010 --> 00:06:35,639 to take a second to tell everybody I've 101 00:06:42,830 --> 00:06:39,020 been really impressed with how many 102 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:42,840 different documentaries and and research 103 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:47,270 shows and not just movies in fiction but 104 00:06:53,690 --> 00:06:51,120 real research have been on the 105 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:53,700 television most of it's on National 106 00:06:58,220 --> 00:06:56,160 Geographic and military Channel and Nova 107 00:07:00,200 --> 00:06:58,230 and there's more coming up in the next 108 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:00,210 two weeks so I'd encourage anybody who's 109 00:07:07,070 --> 00:07:03,090 interested in this to to Google JFK 110 00:07:09,170 --> 00:07:07,080 assassination November 2013 and see 111 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:09,180 what's coming up but there was there was 112 00:07:13,490 --> 00:07:11,280 one on that I had been watching over the 113 00:07:15,710 --> 00:07:13,500 weekend called the missing bullet and I 114 00:07:17,930 --> 00:07:15,720 think it was on National Geographic and 115 00:07:20,210 --> 00:07:17,940 they were talking about that very thing 116 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:20,220 that there were three casings that were 117 00:07:25,190 --> 00:07:22,650 found on the floor by the window in the 118 00:07:27,290 --> 00:07:25,200 school depository and yet many many 119 00:07:30,770 --> 00:07:27,300 witnesses said that they clearly heard 120 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:30,780 four shots so where what happened to the 121 00:07:34,159 --> 00:07:32,280 fourth bullet and they were looking at 122 00:07:35,510 --> 00:07:34,169 not the mental highway sign as you were 123 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:35,520 talking about but they were looking at 124 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:39,270 the support that held up the traffic 125 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:41,850 signal right there where Houston turns 126 00:07:46,909 --> 00:07:44,490 onto Elm Street because it was right in 127 00:07:50,029 --> 00:07:46,919 the path of the line of sight from that 128 00:07:51,469 --> 00:07:50,039 window but that's probably the bullet 129 00:07:53,450 --> 00:07:51,479 apparently there was a bullet that 130 00:07:57,170 --> 00:07:53,460 somehow ricocheted and not concrete 131 00:07:59,560 --> 00:07:57,180 loose off of a curb and clip some guy in 132 00:08:03,020 --> 00:07:59,570 the face that was over near the overpass 133 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:03,030 right yeah absolutely in the here let me 134 00:08:08,420 --> 00:08:05,690 add to that because onion that actually 135 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:08,430 they only found two shell casings on the 136 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:12,419 sixth floor of the school okay in fact 137 00:08:17,810 --> 00:08:14,970 in the new updated version of crossfire 138 00:08:20,090 --> 00:08:17,820 I published the Warren Commission's 139 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:20,100 version of the Dallas police evidence 140 00:08:26,630 --> 00:08:22,740 sheet and it shows a six point five 141 00:08:28,159 --> 00:08:26,640 millimeter spit rounds three okay well 142 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:28,169 they were arguing that I was wall fired 143 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:30,300 three shots and so therefore they found 144 00:08:36,380 --> 00:08:33,330 three shell cases right except in the 145 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:36,390 early 90s I when they opened up the 146 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:38,969 police files in Dallas I rushed over 147 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:39,930 there and 148 00:08:44,209 --> 00:08:41,610 or through their files and I found the 149 00:08:46,579 --> 00:08:44,219 original Dallas police over machine that 150 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:46,589 shows they only had found two shell 151 00:08:52,340 --> 00:08:50,160 casing okay and now to show how funny 152 00:08:54,769 --> 00:08:52,350 that is the National Archives has 153 00:08:57,290 --> 00:08:54,779 published a photograph of the three 154 00:08:59,720 --> 00:08:57,300 shell casings that were empty shell 155 00:09:02,269 --> 00:08:59,730 casings and the one one live round that 156 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:02,279 they said was found still in the rifle 157 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:04,770 and the live round and two of these 158 00:09:11,420 --> 00:09:07,890 shell casings show a very distinctive 159 00:09:15,410 --> 00:09:11,430 dent on the shoulder of the of the brass 160 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:15,420 shell casing but the third shell casing 161 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:19,560 does not show this dent which they said 162 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:23,130 was a peculiarity of Oswald's rifle when 163 00:09:30,350 --> 00:09:27,690 you when you loaded a shell into the 164 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:30,360 chamber it would dent the casing so that 165 00:09:34,370 --> 00:09:32,250 means the third casing that suddenly 166 00:09:36,620 --> 00:09:34,380 turned up and their explanation is that 167 00:09:38,449 --> 00:09:36,630 a Dallas police officer carried it 168 00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:38,459 around his pocket for a few days and 169 00:09:42,829 --> 00:09:40,800 somehow kind of forgot about it 170 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:42,839 you know that it was important evidence 171 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:45,450 and so it just suddenly turned up after 172 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:48,180 a few days and this one hasn't does not 173 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:50,250 have the dent which indicates it was 174 00:09:56,810 --> 00:09:53,130 never loaded in the Oswald rifle well 175 00:09:58,640 --> 00:09:56,820 that's a whole topic of go ahead yeah 176 00:10:03,920 --> 00:09:58,650 it's just the beginning let me let me 177 00:10:07,610 --> 00:10:03,930 see if I can cut to the chase here yes 178 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:07,620 we're going to be inundated with books 179 00:10:12,130 --> 00:10:10,350 and articles and retrospectives and TV 180 00:10:14,269 --> 00:10:12,140 specials and everything else and 181 00:10:16,340 --> 00:10:14,279 basically all it's going to do probably 182 00:10:18,829 --> 00:10:16,350 to the average person to just keep them 183 00:10:20,780 --> 00:10:18,839 confused because you got one expert 184 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:20,790 saying one thing another expert saying 185 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:22,050 no there you got one claim a 186 00:10:27,980 --> 00:10:25,380 counterclaim one conspiracy theory be 187 00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:27,990 followed by another conspiracy theory so 188 00:10:33,890 --> 00:10:30,959 let me just cut through the whole thing 189 00:10:36,740 --> 00:10:33,900 in here here's the whole thing folks if 190 00:10:39,139 --> 00:10:36,750 you trust the government the federal 191 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:39,149 government of the United States then you 192 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:41,760 must trust their the evidence that they 193 00:10:48,350 --> 00:10:45,510 present and that evidence on the face of 194 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:48,360 it seems pretty incriminating towards 195 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:50,730 Lee Harvey Oswald and they build what 196 00:10:53,780 --> 00:10:53,040 seems like a pretty solid case that he 197 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:53,790 did it 198 00:10:58,940 --> 00:10:56,250 with three shots from six Florida School 199 00:11:03,410 --> 00:10:58,950 Book Depository and case closed 200 00:11:07,370 --> 00:11:03,420 okay but if you doubt the government and 201 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:07,380 even would consider that maybe they are 202 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:09,570 presenting bad evidence then you look 203 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:12,210 closer and you begin to actually study 204 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:14,400 the evidence with a fine-tooth comb and 205 00:11:22,250 --> 00:11:18,320 you'll find it starts falling apart okay 206 00:11:25,580 --> 00:11:22,260 here's a classic example on Monday night 207 00:11:27,770 --> 00:11:25,590 following the Friday assassination the 208 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:27,780 District Attorney of Dallas held a news 209 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:30,300 conference and almost as an afterthought 210 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:32,010 he said Oh have I mentioned we've got 211 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:35,160 his fingerprints on the rifle well that 212 00:11:39,470 --> 00:11:37,710 pretty well you know seemed to tie the 213 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:39,480 whole thing up for most people because 214 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:42,420 hey they caught the guy and then they 215 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:43,860 said he found his fingerprints on the 216 00:11:48,470 --> 00:11:46,530 rifle there took care of that except 217 00:11:51,260 --> 00:11:48,480 until you really begin to look at that 218 00:11:53,710 --> 00:11:51,270 issue and what you found is that on 219 00:11:57,020 --> 00:11:53,720 Friday night of the assassination 220 00:12:00,890 --> 00:11:57,030 totally against the law totally against 221 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:00,900 procedures and based on pressure from 222 00:12:06,830 --> 00:12:04,380 high powers in Washington DC all of the 223 00:12:08,660 --> 00:12:06,840 evidence including the rifle were taken 224 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:08,670 away from the doubts please who were 225 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:10,980 trying to investigate it and shipped up 226 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:14,370 to the FBI in Washington the next day in 227 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:16,800 a document signed by none other than the 228 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:19,770 director Jagger Hoover himself they said 229 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:22,170 no usable fingerprints were found on the 230 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:24,720 rifle or even the inner parts of the 231 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:27,390 rifle on Sunday morning 232 00:12:32,390 --> 00:12:29,880 Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby in Dallas 233 00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:32,400 and that evening the rifle is hit back 234 00:12:37,580 --> 00:12:35,100 to Dallas and on Monday morning two FBI 235 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:37,590 agents harrison and vincent drain 236 00:12:41,690 --> 00:12:39,630 carried the rifle over the middle 237 00:12:44,780 --> 00:12:41,700 funeral home and even the media reported 238 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:44,790 that FBI with a crime lab crime scene 239 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:48,510 kit spent a long time in the morgue well 240 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:50,130 the funeral home director Paul rody 241 00:12:55,850 --> 00:12:53,250 years ago told me and it said publicly 242 00:12:59,330 --> 00:12:55,860 recently that he was there when the FBI 243 00:13:02,690 --> 00:12:59,340 agents put Oswald's dead hand on the 244 00:13:04,970 --> 00:13:02,700 rifle and they said they have and Paul 245 00:13:07,319 --> 00:13:04,980 Rudy said he had a hard time getting the 246 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:07,329 fingerprint ink off of Oswald's dead 247 00:13:13,499 --> 00:13:09,910 and in time for the burial that 248 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:13,509 afternoon I think you look closer and 249 00:13:19,949 --> 00:13:15,850 the so-called hard evidence starts 250 00:13:23,999 --> 00:13:19,959 falling apart well you can't ask for a 251 00:13:26,069 --> 00:13:24,009 story that has a few has more loopholes 252 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:26,079 and twists and turns in it than this one 253 00:13:31,470 --> 00:13:29,170 does that's true that's true and they 254 00:13:34,139 --> 00:13:31,480 start with they start by telling one big 255 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:34,149 lie which is Kennedy was shot through 256 00:13:37,829 --> 00:13:35,410 the neck okay 257 00:13:41,309 --> 00:13:37,839 Kennedy was never shot through the neck 258 00:13:43,379 --> 00:13:41,319 there was a puncture wound on the front 259 00:13:46,109 --> 00:13:43,389 of his neck at about the Adam's apple 260 00:13:48,269 --> 00:13:46,119 then all the middle of the medical 261 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:48,279 people in Dallas said that was a it was 262 00:13:53,699 --> 00:13:49,809 a puncture wound it was an entrance 263 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:53,709 wound so he shot from the front and but 264 00:13:59,100 --> 00:13:56,049 there was no exit wound in the back of 265 00:14:00,720 --> 00:13:59,110 the neck okay and they were working to 266 00:14:05,249 --> 00:14:00,730 save his life so they never really 267 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:05,259 turned him over so but at the autopsy 268 00:14:11,189 --> 00:14:07,809 when they examined the body they found a 269 00:14:13,499 --> 00:14:11,199 puncture wound in the back below the 270 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:13,509 shoulder blades about to about an inch 271 00:14:18,689 --> 00:14:15,730 or two to the right of the spinal column 272 00:14:20,309 --> 00:14:18,699 all right well now like number one they 273 00:14:21,929 --> 00:14:20,319 tried to probe that wound and it 274 00:14:24,419 --> 00:14:21,939 wouldn't probe they even tried to use a 275 00:14:27,090 --> 00:14:24,429 metal probe and it wouldn't probe so 276 00:14:28,829 --> 00:14:27,100 something had struck him in the back but 277 00:14:30,359 --> 00:14:28,839 neither working either somebody taking 278 00:14:31,619 --> 00:14:30,369 it out or it's worked its way out 279 00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:31,629 because there won't anything in there 280 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:33,519 okay now wait a minute when you say it 281 00:14:37,499 --> 00:14:35,529 wouldn't probe what you're saying is and 282 00:14:39,389 --> 00:14:37,509 what I read is it they're not to the 283 00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:39,399 body right the one of the doctors 284 00:14:42,989 --> 00:14:41,199 actually stuck his little finger in that 285 00:14:45,780 --> 00:14:42,999 hole with love on and it didn't go 286 00:14:48,569 --> 00:14:45,790 anywhere it's already water right it's 287 00:14:50,999 --> 00:14:48,579 in connect okay now they are trying to 288 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:51,009 say though that the back one connects is 289 00:14:56,609 --> 00:14:53,769 rotland well if it did that's an upward 290 00:14:57,449 --> 00:14:56,619 trajectory okay and I was with almost 60 291 00:15:00,720 --> 00:14:57,459 feet in the air 292 00:15:03,329 --> 00:15:00,730 supposedly in this own sixth floor so it 293 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:03,339 just didn't even work so you know what 294 00:15:08,309 --> 00:15:06,249 are gonna do about that and well that 295 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:08,319 was taken care of by Jarrell our Ford 296 00:15:13,470 --> 00:15:11,529 our only unelected president you know 297 00:15:14,699 --> 00:15:13,480 never ran for president nobody elected 298 00:15:17,579 --> 00:15:14,709 him to be President 299 00:15:20,340 --> 00:15:17,589 he was appointed president by Richard 300 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:20,350 Nixon who had appointed him this is to 301 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:21,910 be vice president 302 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:24,250 we're in spiro agnew got in trouble and 303 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:27,430 had to resign and of course the Nixon 304 00:15:32,570 --> 00:15:29,950 resigned and Gerald Ford pardoned him of 305 00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:32,580 all his crimes past present and future 306 00:15:38,010 --> 00:15:36,160 and obviously was put there to do it 307 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:38,020 very thing well Gerald Ford had said on 308 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:40,270 the Warren Commission and Gerald Ford it 309 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:42,160 turns out thanks to the assassination 310 00:15:49,470 --> 00:15:44,620 records Review Board they came up with 311 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:49,480 the memo that Gerald Ford had sent to 312 00:15:54,090 --> 00:15:51,130 the authors of the Warren Commission 313 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:54,100 ordering them to change the wording from 314 00:15:58,850 --> 00:15:56,290 kitty who shot in the back which is the 315 00:16:01,980 --> 00:15:58,860 truth to Kennedy was shot in the neck 316 00:16:05,780 --> 00:16:01,990 which allowed them then to argue that 317 00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:05,790 this one bullet went through his neck 318 00:16:11,550 --> 00:16:09,070 did not strike any bone and continued 319 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:11,560 downwards or strike Connally shattered 320 00:16:18,090 --> 00:16:14,470 his fifth rib exited out his right chest 321 00:16:20,070 --> 00:16:18,100 entered his right wrist and shattered 322 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:20,080 the wrist bone one of the densest bones 323 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:22,750 in the human body and then ended up over 324 00:16:28,950 --> 00:16:25,210 in his left thigh and then somehow work 325 00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:28,960 its way out and was found on a stretcher 326 00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:31,980 in Parkland Hospital that could not be 327 00:16:37,740 --> 00:16:34,720 definitively linked to either Kennedy or 328 00:16:39,450 --> 00:16:37,750 Connally and they said that's the bullet 329 00:16:41,550 --> 00:16:39,460 too did it the single bullet 330 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:41,560 that's the magic last became the single 331 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:43,480 Bullet theory and of course Arlen 332 00:16:48,990 --> 00:16:46,570 Specter did they now what's interesting 333 00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:49,000 also about that Jim all of that damage 334 00:16:52,829 --> 00:16:51,280 that if if that was a magic bullet and 335 00:16:54,990 --> 00:16:52,839 if that actually happened which I don't 336 00:16:58,650 --> 00:16:55,000 believe for a second it would have left 337 00:17:00,720 --> 00:16:58,660 metal debris in at least Connolly's body 338 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:00,730 because it kept breaking bones as it was 339 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:03,250 swarming around in there but the bullet 340 00:17:08,819 --> 00:17:05,770 that they found laying on the gurney was 341 00:17:10,890 --> 00:17:08,829 almost pristine wasn't it yes absolutely 342 00:17:12,780 --> 00:17:10,900 in fact that's how they describe the 343 00:17:15,569 --> 00:17:12,790 authorities described it it's pristine 344 00:17:18,929 --> 00:17:15,579 it was not deformed it was not flattened 345 00:17:20,610 --> 00:17:18,939 in fact the photograph that I have that 346 00:17:23,490 --> 00:17:20,620 I published in the new version of 347 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:23,500 crossfire has only a small little nick 348 00:17:28,590 --> 00:17:26,170 out of the very nose of this bullet and 349 00:17:31,010 --> 00:17:28,600 that was where the FBI shipped off a 350 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:31,020 little piece for spectrographic analysis 351 00:17:37,409 --> 00:17:34,870 in fact if you want the proof of 352 00:17:40,919 --> 00:17:37,419 of the errand sea of the single Bullet 353 00:17:44,610 --> 00:17:40,929 theory in my new updated crossfire I 354 00:17:47,489 --> 00:17:44,620 published Connolly's wrist x-ray okay 355 00:17:49,889 --> 00:17:47,499 and you can see where as the the main 356 00:17:52,529 --> 00:17:49,899 bone was broken and then set back into 357 00:17:55,739 --> 00:17:52,539 place you can also see bright pieces of 358 00:17:57,570 --> 00:17:55,749 metal still in his wrist at the time of 359 00:17:59,909 --> 00:17:57,580 his death and when they buried him 360 00:18:02,279 --> 00:17:59,919 so in other words there is more pieces 361 00:18:04,259 --> 00:18:02,289 of metal that was still in governor 362 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:04,269 counties risk when they buried him Ben 363 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:05,950 is missing from the bullet that they 364 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:08,830 still claim caused the wound right right 365 00:18:15,090 --> 00:18:11,289 but then that's not any stranger than 366 00:18:18,590 --> 00:18:15,100 having a world war two almost antique 367 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:18,600 rifle leave Dallas and go to DC with no 368 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,529 fingerprints or anything on it and then 369 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:22,480 return over the weekend and then all of 370 00:18:30,989 --> 00:18:24,730 a sudden it's got prints on it that's 371 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:30,999 true tell me if you can hear this yep 372 00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:34,809 did you hear that yes okay I am holding 373 00:18:40,649 --> 00:18:38,799 a absolute duplicate of Oswald six point 374 00:18:43,769 --> 00:18:40,659 five millimeter mannlicher-carcano rifle 375 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:43,779 I had it's a bolt-action rifle that's a 376 00:18:47,940 --> 00:18:45,580 world war two gun 377 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:47,950 it's a shoddy piece of work actually in 378 00:18:53,180 --> 00:18:51,730 fact the lot that included the the one 379 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:53,190 they said blown the house will always 380 00:18:58,499 --> 00:18:56,289 actually in a court battle at the time 381 00:19:01,560 --> 00:18:58,509 of the assassination because the buyer 382 00:19:03,749 --> 00:19:01,570 said that they were defective so but 383 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:03,759 here's the point everybody and you've 384 00:19:09,779 --> 00:19:05,980 heard this to everybody who was a 385 00:19:12,029 --> 00:19:09,789 witness in Dealey Plaza described well 386 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:12,039 some said three shots some said for some 387 00:19:18,239 --> 00:19:14,769 said six but generally they have agreed 388 00:19:20,519 --> 00:19:18,249 on three shots okay and what they what 389 00:19:22,529 --> 00:19:20,529 they've all told me and this is 390 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:22,539 including senator Ralph Yarborough who 391 00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:24,340 was riding with Lyndon Johnson and 392 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:26,470 former House Speaker Jim Wright who was 393 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:29,679 in a car to back behind them they heard 394 00:19:36,029 --> 00:19:33,450 one shot a pause and then two shots just 395 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:36,039 right on top of each other boom right 396 00:19:42,779 --> 00:19:40,809 kind of a bang bang bang okay now here's 397 00:19:45,749 --> 00:19:42,789 this mannlicher-carcano and I'm gonna 398 00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:45,759 rack the bolt and pull the trigger as 399 00:20:01,330 --> 00:19:58,360 there you get that I bang bang 400 00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:01,340 you cannot did a bang bang with a 401 00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,260 bolt-action rifle not with the same 402 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:05,600 rifle you can not with the same rifle 403 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:10,450 there had to be rifles at least exactly 404 00:20:16,510 --> 00:20:12,830 and where was the other rifle on the 405 00:20:20,770 --> 00:20:16,520 grassy know it and they even reported 406 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:20,780 yeah even reported seeing smoke drifting 407 00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:23,990 down from the grassy knoll you know and 408 00:20:27,730 --> 00:20:26,390 the halls of these years if this is so 409 00:20:30,610 --> 00:20:27,740 wild because I just got through doing 410 00:20:31,570 --> 00:20:30,620 this for the Travel Channel they did 411 00:20:35,049 --> 00:20:31,580 something that should have been done 412 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:35,059 fifty years ago they actually because 413 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:37,250 all this time all these years the 414 00:20:41,169 --> 00:20:39,890 authorities have argued that they 415 00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,179 couldn't have seen a puff of smoke 416 00:20:47,260 --> 00:20:44,000 drifting off the grassy knoll because 417 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:47,270 modern guns don't smoke and well yes 418 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:47,929 they do 419 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:50,809 okay and especially if they've been 420 00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,150 recently oil so what the Travel Channel 421 00:20:58,210 --> 00:20:55,280 did and it's on one of their programs 422 00:21:01,690 --> 00:20:58,220 that it's airing right now is they had a 423 00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:01,700 former CIA sniper and he and I went up 424 00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:04,820 into the railroad Tower that Lee Bowers 425 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:07,760 was in it's behind in the parking area 426 00:21:14,370 --> 00:21:10,190 behind the picket fence on the grassy 427 00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:14,380 knoll and to see and they had a gun 428 00:21:20,110 --> 00:21:18,320 shooter with a rifle and he was standing 429 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:20,120 behind the fence and he fired several 430 00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:23,210 times and the point of the exercise was 431 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:24,950 to see if we could see a puff of smoke 432 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,070 and we did each and every time he fired 433 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:30,320 so Lee Bowers was telling the truth when 434 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:33,110 he said he saw something catch his 435 00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:35,330 attention behind that fence either a 436 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:37,940 flash or a puff of smoke and then you've 437 00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:39,770 got Nelly Connally who said she saw 438 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:41,990 smoke you've got other people who said 439 00:21:46,450 --> 00:21:43,970 smoke was coming down from the grassy 440 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:46,460 knoll and in fact in the new version of 441 00:21:51,490 --> 00:21:49,010 crossfire I published a frame from an 442 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:51,500 NBC cameraman that shows the puff of 443 00:21:55,870 --> 00:21:53,690 smoke drifting off the grassy knoll so 444 00:21:58,419 --> 00:21:55,880 there's where the other gunman was but 445 00:22:02,050 --> 00:21:58,429 this is how crazy this whole thing is or 446 00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:02,060 is that since we now have a 447 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:04,790 photograph of a man firing a rifle from 448 00:22:09,580 --> 00:22:06,770 behind the fence on the grassy knoll and 449 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:09,590 since the majority witnesses and that 450 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:12,170 end of the plaza there the shot came 451 00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:13,370 from behind the fence on the grassy 452 00:22:17,530 --> 00:22:15,620 knoll and since the House Select 453 00:22:20,170 --> 00:22:17,540 Committee on assassinations had two 454 00:22:23,050 --> 00:22:20,180 separate sets of acoustical scientists 455 00:22:26,620 --> 00:22:23,060 who said based on their studies that 456 00:22:29,620 --> 00:22:26,630 there was a shot from a gunman behind 457 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:29,630 the fence on the grassy knoll you know 458 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:32,150 if I tried to tell you there was nobody 459 00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:34,850 there you think I was an idiot but this 460 00:22:38,650 --> 00:22:36,950 is a Kennedy assassination and when I 461 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:38,660 try to say there was a gunman on the 462 00:22:42,670 --> 00:22:39,350 grassy knoll 463 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:42,680 I'm still the idiot well it's it's just 464 00:22:50,170 --> 00:22:44,990 an you can't make this kind of stuff up 465 00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,180 Jim this it's an amazing story and I I 466 00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:52,880 grew up in Dallas and was sitting in 467 00:22:58,450 --> 00:22:54,950 junior high school when he was 468 00:23:00,970 --> 00:22:58,460 assassinated so you would think someone 469 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:00,980 who was there and must have heard an 470 00:23:06,250 --> 00:23:03,650 awful lot about things in general all 471 00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:06,260 these years I would know more about it 472 00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:08,990 but I I I highly recommend the book 473 00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:12,950 crossfire please check out amazon.com 474 00:23:17,140 --> 00:23:14,990 I've put the link up to it in the chat 475 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:17,150 room here at Internet I'm sorry at 476 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:19,910 inception radio network comm we're 477 00:23:24,910 --> 00:23:21,970 talking to Jim Marrs the author of 478 00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:24,920 crossfire the plot that killed Kennedy 479 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:27,230 revised and updated brand-new out on 480 00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:30,730 October 22nd just a couple of weeks ago 481 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:34,880 now this story just keeps on giving Jim 482 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:37,310 let's let's talk about you mentioned the 483 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:40,750 Warren Commission and also the the house 484 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:44,450 special committee now I know there were 485 00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:48,020 some people involved back then let me 486 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:49,820 let me just give you a list and you jump 487 00:23:53,650 --> 00:23:51,410 in and start with whoever you want to 488 00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:53,660 there were people for example Allen 489 00:23:58,510 --> 00:23:56,510 Dulles and as his brother John Foster 490 00:24:01,300 --> 00:23:58,520 Dulles John Foster was Secretary of 491 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:01,310 State Allen was director of the CIA and 492 00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:04,130 Kennedy decided he wanted to completely 493 00:24:08,020 --> 00:24:05,870 dissolve the CIA because they 494 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:08,030 double-crossed him over Cuba then there 495 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:09,650 was J Edgar Hoover who didn't like 496 00:24:16,029 --> 00:24:12,310 Kennedy anyway there was Sam Giancana 497 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:16,039 who was running the East Coast mafia LBJ 498 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:17,330 found out he was going to be dropped 499 00:24:22,719 --> 00:24:19,850 from the ticket the next year in the 500 00:24:25,629 --> 00:24:22,729 election and then Nixon had a little 501 00:24:27,639 --> 00:24:25,639 run-in because the idea of the the Bay 502 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:27,649 of Pigs operation was really his and 503 00:24:32,919 --> 00:24:30,950 Kennedy took it away from him was there 504 00:24:35,529 --> 00:24:32,929 anybody in that group that could have 505 00:24:38,919 --> 00:24:35,539 had anything to do with making this 506 00:24:44,529 --> 00:24:38,929 happen and then helping cover it up how 507 00:24:46,419 --> 00:24:44,539 about all of them see for years now I've 508 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:46,429 been asked a question will we ever know 509 00:24:50,049 --> 00:24:47,720 the truth about the Kennedy 510 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:50,059 assassination and I maintain that 511 00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:52,129 they're not asking the right question 512 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:54,289 because the answer to that question is 513 00:24:58,239 --> 00:24:56,330 we already know the truth all right we 514 00:25:01,859 --> 00:24:58,249 know the truth now and what is that 515 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:01,869 truth well that truth is is that is that 516 00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:05,210 why should the combined forces of the 517 00:25:17,139 --> 00:25:11,840 CIA FBI the NSA the DIA the the police 518 00:25:18,999 --> 00:25:17,149 forces in the military FBI what and and 519 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,009 for 50 years and they can't figure out 520 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:20,960 what really who really killed the 521 00:25:24,609 --> 00:25:23,330 president in United States and it makes 522 00:25:27,129 --> 00:25:24,619 no sense whatsoever 523 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:27,139 why is it so confused why is it so mixed 524 00:25:32,919 --> 00:25:30,289 up okay so you have to consider that 525 00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:32,929 it's only that way because people in 526 00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:37,340 high positions created it that way okay 527 00:25:47,249 --> 00:25:40,940 anybody could have killed Kennedy KGB 528 00:25:50,919 --> 00:25:47,259 agents Castro hitmen CIA agents mafia 529 00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:50,929 assassins you know yes even the lone 530 00:25:56,979 --> 00:25:53,929 nut' couldn't kill Kennedy but who had 531 00:26:00,629 --> 00:25:56,989 the power to cover it up soon end up 532 00:26:03,369 --> 00:26:00,639 power to confuse and confound federal 533 00:26:08,139 --> 00:26:03,379 investigations all right who had the 534 00:26:13,379 --> 00:26:08,149 power to suppress evidence fabricate 535 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:13,389 evidence and intimidate witnesses and 536 00:26:20,139 --> 00:26:16,960 this is all documented that's not just 537 00:26:22,989 --> 00:26:20,149 theory yes I could document each of 538 00:26:26,259 --> 00:26:22,999 those things in fact when you get right 539 00:26:29,349 --> 00:26:26,269 down to it that I can name you the two 540 00:26:30,670 --> 00:26:29,359 men who in a court of law would be found 541 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,680 Gill 542 00:26:36,130 --> 00:26:33,440 in the Kennedy assassination and that is 543 00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:36,140 his successor Lyndon Baines Johnson and 544 00:26:41,650 --> 00:26:38,270 his next-door neighbor and old buddy 545 00:26:44,650 --> 00:26:41,660 FBI director Jagger Hoover now can I 546 00:26:47,290 --> 00:26:44,660 prove that those two men ordered or even 547 00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:47,300 orchestrated the Kennedy assassination 548 00:26:53,260 --> 00:26:50,990 no I cannot but what I can prove beyond 549 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:53,270 any reasonable shadow of a doubt that 550 00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:56,090 those two men took actions that block 551 00:27:01,780 --> 00:26:58,990 and thwarted any kind of meaningful 552 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:01,790 investigation as to the truth of what 553 00:27:07,030 --> 00:27:04,370 happened in davie Plaza this under our 554 00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:07,040 legal system makes them accessories 555 00:27:13,390 --> 00:27:10,940 after the fact and under the law an 556 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:13,400 accessory is considered just as guilty 557 00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,370 as the person who pulls the trigger in 558 00:27:21,850 --> 00:27:18,559 fact we have executed people in Texas 559 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:21,860 who the facts of the case show who did 560 00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:24,050 not kill anybody but they were there or 561 00:27:28,450 --> 00:27:25,940 they hid the gun or they drew those a 562 00:27:29,950 --> 00:27:28,460 car and they they were in accessory 563 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:29,960 after the fact and they're considered 564 00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,690 just as guilty as the person who pulled 565 00:27:38,110 --> 00:27:35,120 the trigger so we need to quit being 566 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:38,120 distracted by how many gunmen and how 567 00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:40,130 many shots were fired and who paid all 568 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:42,440 the money and we need to just simply 569 00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:44,150 stop and say who are the accessories 570 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:46,400 after the fact and you're going to find 571 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:48,650 that it's Lyndon Johnson Jagger Hoover 572 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:51,050 primarily and then following along 573 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:54,250 behind them comes all inspector and and 574 00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:58,490 Gerald Ford and others who consciously 575 00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,130 or subconsciously went along with the 576 00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:03,440 cover-up and some of the people who 577 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:05,960 participated in the cover-up did not do 578 00:28:11,650 --> 00:28:08,090 it for sinister reasons for example 579 00:28:13,870 --> 00:28:11,660 Chief Justice Earl Warren turned down 580 00:28:16,810 --> 00:28:13,880 the chairmanship of the Warren 581 00:28:19,930 --> 00:28:16,820 Commission three times until finally 582 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:19,940 Linda Johnson called him in for a 583 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:22,460 face-to-face meeting and told him said 584 00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,010 look you were a military officer in 585 00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:27,440 World War one and you've got to do your 586 00:28:31,810 --> 00:28:29,780 duty now and chair this committee and 587 00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:31,820 you got to find that Oswald was guilty 588 00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:34,460 and did it all by himself otherwise it 589 00:28:38,919 --> 00:28:36,980 might lead to World War three and you'd 590 00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:38,929 have the lives of 20 million Americans 591 00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:42,440 on your conscience and according to the 592 00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:43,640 reports 593 00:28:48,790 --> 00:28:45,680 Earl Warren left this meeting with tears 594 00:28:51,130 --> 00:28:48,800 in his eyes and very grudgingly chaired 595 00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:51,140 the Warren Commission which was about 596 00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:53,630 the saddest example of an investigation 597 00:28:59,470 --> 00:28:56,420 that you can conceive of well yes 598 00:29:02,350 --> 00:28:59,480 definitely why why are some of the 599 00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:02,360 documents the files on this not even 600 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:04,280 going to be unlocked until twenty thirty 601 00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:07,250 nine Jim well because what I'm telling 602 00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:10,640 you is is that on November the 22nd 1963 603 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:13,220 the United States of America suffered a 604 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:16,730 coup d'etat okay they took over and a 605 00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:19,340 coup d'etat his dictionary definition is 606 00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:21,800 a change of government through a violent 607 00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:24,500 act and that's exactly what happened in 608 00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:29,150 Dallas in 1963 in fact they were well 609 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:32,720 aware of this John J McCloy who had been 610 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:35,930 a mentor to Allen Dulles a big member of 611 00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:38,450 the Council on Foreign Relations former 612 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,030 CEO of City National Bank which is now 613 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:44,240 city Corp was one of the largest lenders 614 00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:47,840 of money to Hitler the Nazis sat on the 615 00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:49,880 Warren Commission and during one of 616 00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:52,310 their sessions he says it is of the most 617 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:55,040 paramount importance that we show the 618 00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,290 world that the United States is not just 619 00:30:02,260 --> 00:29:59,600 another Banana Republic where the 620 00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:02,270 government can be changed you know 621 00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:05,240 through a conspiracy but I'm here to 622 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:07,400 tell you the sad truth is that we are 623 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:09,890 just another Banana Republic and it 624 00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:13,370 that's what happened in 1963 that is the 625 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:17,000 truth well and they I think I also read 626 00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:18,950 that they kind of modeled that whole 627 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:22,820 protocol of the Patsy and multiple 628 00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,610 snipers and a triangulated shot they 629 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:28,240 modeled that in a Guatemalan 630 00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:31,340 assassination didn't they oh oh yeah 631 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:34,880 well it's it's you know a triangulation 632 00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:37,730 of fire in a ambush you know with 633 00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:42,500 snipers and then a scapegoat to throw 634 00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:46,100 the whole thing off false flags you know 635 00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:48,440 where you trying to lay the blame off on 636 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:51,440 Castro from the Russians or on somebody 637 00:30:56,290 --> 00:30:52,820 else I mean that's just standard 638 00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:56,300 operating procedure you know it's just 639 00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:57,470 the way it works 640 00:31:02,919 --> 00:31:00,559 and in fact I think it works a well form 641 00:31:08,769 --> 00:31:02,929 that they used it again on September the 642 00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:08,779 11th 2001 ironically enough when they 643 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:10,220 created the house 644 00:31:14,409 --> 00:31:12,769 assassinations record Review Board in 645 00:31:16,299 --> 00:31:14,419 the wake of the Oliver Stone movie 646 00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:16,309 because everybody said free the files 647 00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:18,200 and by the way they're still not free 648 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:20,840 CIA and the Secret Service still have 649 00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,490 files pertaining the Kennedy 650 00:31:26,409 --> 00:31:24,320 assassination that they dragged their 651 00:31:30,009 --> 00:31:26,419 feet on and they're still not been made 652 00:31:33,570 --> 00:31:30,019 public but in their what they did find 653 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:33,580 was a copy of the operation Northwoods 654 00:31:40,029 --> 00:31:36,769 which was devised by the Joint Chiefs of 655 00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,039 Staff back in 1962 following the 656 00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:42,559 ill-fated Bay of Pigs invasion and this 657 00:31:48,749 --> 00:31:45,110 plan are you ready for this set off 658 00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:48,759 bombs in American cities killed selected 659 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:51,340 assassination targets in America 660 00:31:58,299 --> 00:31:54,590 hijacked planes and hijacked ships and 661 00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:58,309 then blame it all on Castro so that they 662 00:32:04,029 --> 00:32:01,190 could mount another invasion of Cuba 663 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:04,039 with the support of the American people 664 00:32:11,379 --> 00:32:07,570 now this incredible plan was actually 665 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:11,389 approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff it 666 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:14,210 was only Kennedy who said we don't play 667 00:32:19,299 --> 00:32:17,330 that game and he stopped it in fact 668 00:32:22,749 --> 00:32:19,309 ordered them to destroy all the copies 669 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:22,759 of Northwoods but ironically enough at 670 00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,129 least one copy survived and a government 671 00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:27,440 file somewhere and who finds it but the 672 00:32:32,409 --> 00:32:29,480 assassination records Review Board in 673 00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:32,419 the early 90s created to find documents 674 00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:36,860 from the Kennedy time period and one of 675 00:32:45,639 --> 00:32:42,950 the schemes of Northwoods was to take an 676 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:45,649 aircraft that was the same kind as a 677 00:32:53,019 --> 00:32:49,129 commercial airliner and painted up to 678 00:32:55,810 --> 00:32:53,029 look like a a airliner and then take a 679 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:55,820 regularly scheduled flight land that and 680 00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:58,250 D playing the passengers and then take 681 00:33:03,970 --> 00:33:02,000 off again in this phony plane that was 682 00:33:07,149 --> 00:33:03,980 painted up and had the same tail numbers 683 00:33:11,139 --> 00:33:07,159 and it was flown remotely and they could 684 00:33:14,499 --> 00:33:11,149 do this in 1962 guys by remote control 685 00:33:17,649 --> 00:33:14,509 out over the Caribbean and then remotely 686 00:33:19,989 --> 00:33:17,659 trigger a broadcasting signal that says 687 00:33:23,889 --> 00:33:19,999 help help Mayday and we're under attack 688 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:23,899 by Cuban Jets and then by remote-control 689 00:33:28,629 --> 00:33:26,330 trigger a bomb and blow the thing up and 690 00:33:30,669 --> 00:33:28,639 it sinks into the Caribbean and we blame 691 00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:30,679 it on Castro Wow 692 00:33:36,489 --> 00:33:33,229 and I think something very similar 693 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:36,499 happened on the morning of 9/11 you have 694 00:33:42,779 --> 00:33:38,089 another book about that don't you 695 00:33:45,639 --> 00:33:42,789 yep the conspiracy revisited all right 696 00:33:50,609 --> 00:33:45,649 so what you need to do folks is go to 697 00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:50,619 amazon.com put in Jim Marrs ma RR s and 698 00:33:57,339 --> 00:33:54,409 get your little credit card out and with 699 00:33:59,320 --> 00:33:57,349 your nimble fingers select some books 700 00:34:03,430 --> 00:33:59,330 and put your number in and purchase them 701 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:03,440 a couple people in the chat room Jim are 702 00:34:06,999 --> 00:34:05,690 talking about and I think I saw 703 00:34:08,769 --> 00:34:07,009 something about this a couple of weeks 704 00:34:12,819 --> 00:34:08,779 ago on one of these specials he Howard 705 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:12,829 hunt a deathbed confession mmm-hmm what 706 00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:16,010 do you have to say about that well yeah 707 00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:19,960 I've met with his son st. John hunt and 708 00:34:30,099 --> 00:34:24,740 saw all of the material that he has and 709 00:34:32,409 --> 00:34:30,109 it certainly makes a lot of sense he 710 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:32,419 said his father well of course Aaron 711 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:34,010 hunt was right at the heart of all of 712 00:34:38,980 --> 00:34:37,369 this stuff without going into all the 713 00:34:41,019 --> 00:34:38,990 nuts and bolts of it let me just point 714 00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:41,029 out that it was the Howard hunt who 715 00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:43,940 blackmailed Richard Nixon all right on 716 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:47,419 the Watergate tapes and they we learned 717 00:34:54,129 --> 00:34:51,649 that he heard hunt was asking Nixon for 718 00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,139 two million dollars or he would break 719 00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:56,720 open the whole Bay of Pigs thing and 720 00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,450 Nixon on the White House tape says well 721 00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:02,720 that would be bad for us oh and bad for 722 00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:03,440 the country 723 00:35:08,319 --> 00:35:06,140 you know nabe since he had installed the 724 00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:08,329 listening devices yes he suddenly 725 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:11,049 realized he was probably being taped and 726 00:35:16,059 --> 00:35:14,089 there was other discussion saying yes we 727 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:16,069 we can't go into that whole Bay of Pigs 728 00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:19,250 thing you know and then of course they 729 00:35:23,019 --> 00:35:21,380 he agreed he said pay me money and they 730 00:35:24,610 --> 00:35:23,029 got the two million dollars they paid it 731 00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:24,620 to Hunt's wife Dorothy 732 00:35:30,070 --> 00:35:26,990 but then she took a plane flight and the 733 00:35:33,370 --> 00:35:30,080 whole plane crashed and FBI agent showed 734 00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:33,380 up even before the paramedics and you 735 00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,070 know a bunch of stuff turned up missing 736 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:38,960 but so what was the big deal about the 737 00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:39,890 Bay of Pigs 738 00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:41,180 what was that were they talking about 739 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:44,270 the whole Bay of Pigs thing and because 740 00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,130 the Bay of Pigs of course was already 741 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:48,800 over with and the invaders had been 742 00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:51,050 stopped and captured and it was a 743 00:35:58,060 --> 00:35:54,080 disaster and even though Kennedy was 744 00:35:59,470 --> 00:35:58,070 presented with a fait accompli he didn't 745 00:36:02,500 --> 00:35:59,480 even know there was going to be an 746 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:02,510 invasion Cuba until after he got elected 747 00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:04,970 president and it was already a foregone 748 00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:05,750 conclusion 749 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:09,380 you know they and and yet he came on 750 00:36:13,810 --> 00:36:11,450 television I can remember him saying 751 00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:13,820 that he was like the captain the ship 752 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:15,980 and he had it was his responsibility and 753 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:20,090 he would take the responsibility unlike 754 00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:22,730 our leaders today who are always saying 755 00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,980 in the opposition's and it is the fault 756 00:36:29,350 --> 00:36:27,040 you know they they did it they did it 757 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:29,360 never taking responsibility for 758 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:32,570 themselves and so what's the whole thing 759 00:36:39,370 --> 00:36:36,710 about the Bay of Pigs well I believe is 760 00:36:42,970 --> 00:36:39,380 Ehrlichman or no Haldeman HR Haldeman 761 00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,980 the aide to Richard Nixon wrote a book 762 00:36:47,290 --> 00:36:44,960 and in there he said he finally figured 763 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:47,300 out that all these times that Nixon was 764 00:36:51,790 --> 00:36:49,010 talking about the whole Bay of Pigs 765 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:51,800 thing he was actually talking about the 766 00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:55,310 Kennedy assassination so see there was 767 00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,330 just you have to understand Kennedy it's 768 00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,520 generally thought that he was just part 769 00:37:06,070 --> 00:37:03,440 of the liberal eastern money's 770 00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:06,080 establishment and in a certain way I 771 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:09,710 guess he was but not really his dad Joe 772 00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,170 Kennedy was the son of a poor Irish 773 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:14,800 immigrant and they had been dense 774 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:18,410 discriminated against like any other of 775 00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:21,170 the minorities back in the 1800s and 776 00:37:28,450 --> 00:37:24,950 early 1900s and that was one reason Joe 777 00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,460 Kennedy wanted his sons to be powerful 778 00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:30,320 and maybe even get to be President in 779 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:31,940 United States to simply prove to 780 00:37:38,050 --> 00:37:34,490 everyone that they were good as anyone 781 00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:38,060 else and maybe he could get a yes 782 00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:41,000 membership in the Boston Country Club or 783 00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:46,520 something and so he really was quite 784 00:37:50,740 --> 00:37:48,020 different from every other president 785 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:50,750 we've ever had at forty five he was the 786 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:54,950 youngest president in US history and he 787 00:38:00,400 --> 00:37:57,170 was also the first president born in the 788 00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:00,410 20th century he's one of the most highly 789 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:03,140 educated of the presidents and plus his 790 00:38:08,350 --> 00:38:05,330 family had lots of money Joe was pretty 791 00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:08,360 rich and so he wasn't scrambling around 792 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:11,000 trying to make money like some of the 793 00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:14,410 other presidents and so he had a 794 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:18,800 intellectual and worldview that was 795 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:22,310 overt above a lot of the other grubby 796 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:25,970 politicians and even though I was not a 797 00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:29,930 big fan of Kennedys at the time and I 798 00:38:36,610 --> 00:38:33,190 have to grudgingly say that he was 799 00:38:39,070 --> 00:38:36,620 taking steps that at least he truly 800 00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:39,080 believed was in the best interest of the 801 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:43,900 public of this country supporting 802 00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:49,310 integration and withdrawing withholding 803 00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:52,760 ground combat troops from Vietnam I am 804 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:55,280 convinced now based on his national 805 00:39:00,420 --> 00:38:58,370 security action memorandum where he had 806 00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:00,430 agreed that we could pull out troops by 807 00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:03,470 1965 and in fact I'll not come to the 808 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:07,460 11th 1963 in this memo he said make no 809 00:39:13,210 --> 00:39:10,310 formal announcement but begin their 810 00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:13,220 withdrawal of 1000 military advisers and 811 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:21,920 then on Monday 24th of November ya know 812 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:24,440 when Johnson took office right fifth 813 00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:26,450 Monday would been the 25th of November 814 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:29,540 when Johnson is back in his own office 815 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:31,970 he issues national security action 816 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:36,050 memorandum 273 which buried in there 817 00:39:43,530 --> 00:39:39,170 says do not drop military or financial 818 00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:43,540 assistance to military to South Vietnam 819 00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:46,220 that would drop it below the levels of 820 00:39:50,530 --> 00:39:47,750 the diem government will the diem 821 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:50,540 brothers were assassinated different 822 00:39:53,279 --> 00:39:50,890 rounds 823 00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:53,289 first of October 63 so that effectively 824 00:39:59,789 --> 00:39:56,710 stopped Kennedy's pullout orders okay 825 00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,799 the dr. Johnson's document goes on to 826 00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:01,839 talk about the plausibility of denial 827 00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:04,420 can we possibly deny we're doing all 828 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:06,700 this drawing up war plans against 829 00:40:13,289 --> 00:40:09,490 layoffs prosecuting the war 830 00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:13,299 moving on to North Vietnam except etc so 831 00:40:17,789 --> 00:40:15,400 in other words that is what set us on 832 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:17,799 the course to the full-blown Vietnam War 833 00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:21,910 now Laurel here's the clinker I managed 834 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:25,180 to get a copy of the draft of Johnson's 835 00:40:30,990 --> 00:40:28,210 national security action memorandum 273 836 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:31,000 from the Johnson library in Austin Texas 837 00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:33,970 and guess when this thing was being 838 00:40:42,359 --> 00:40:39,190 written on November the 21st 1963 so the 839 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:42,369 day before Kennedy was assassinated 840 00:40:49,259 --> 00:40:46,210 they were completely changing his plans 841 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:49,269 for Vietnam obviously they knew he was 842 00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:52,089 not going to be around to counter men 843 00:40:58,259 --> 00:40:55,720 these orders right do you know if anyone 844 00:41:00,779 --> 00:40:58,269 ever talked to the limousine drivers 845 00:41:03,749 --> 00:41:00,789 after all of this I mean surely someone 846 00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:03,759 interviewed them yes well judge Greer 847 00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:06,960 the driver of Kennedy's limousine 848 00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:09,220 testified to the Warren Commission and 849 00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:11,500 he said that he didn't even know the 850 00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:13,660 assassination happened that he never 851 00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,529 looked back and said all he the first 852 00:41:21,809 --> 00:41:19,119 thing he knew was when Roy Kellerman 853 00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:21,819 who's sitting next to him in the in the 854 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:23,980 passenger seat said we're hit get us out 855 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:26,410 of here okay and he said then he hit the 856 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:29,650 accelerator as was the standard 857 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:31,930 procedure for Secret Service security 858 00:41:36,089 --> 00:41:35,529 and they and he pulled on out of Dealey 859 00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,099 Plaza 860 00:41:40,859 --> 00:41:38,319 now the problem there is is that 861 00:41:43,289 --> 00:41:40,869 photographs and films show quite a 862 00:41:45,749 --> 00:41:43,299 different version try a show that after 863 00:41:48,089 --> 00:41:45,759 the first shots the brake lights come on 864 00:41:51,539 --> 00:41:48,099 the car and the presidential limousine 865 00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:51,549 came to almost a complete stop and if 866 00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:53,980 they in fact on that back Secret Service 867 00:41:59,339 --> 00:41:56,740 backup car almost bumped up on the rear 868 00:42:02,339 --> 00:41:59,349 bumper and that's when six urges agent 869 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:02,349 Clint Hill jumped off and raced up and 870 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:03,970 jumped on the back of 871 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:06,970 chimneys limousine and it also in the 872 00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,770 Zapruder film you can plainly see that 873 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:10,720 the driver turns his head to the right 874 00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:13,050 looks back over his right shoulder 875 00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:16,060 directly Kennedy until after the fatal 876 00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:17,710 head shot and then his head looks 877 00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:19,660 forward and then the old brake lights 878 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:21,700 come off the car and it begins to 879 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:26,170 accelerate out of the plaza right oh oh 880 00:42:30,210 --> 00:42:27,910 I think there's a lot of question of 881 00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:30,220 course what we also know is that the 882 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:32,920 Secret Service detail the night before 883 00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:35,770 had gone they were in Fort Worth and 884 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:38,440 while Kennedy was that the Texas Hotel 885 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:42,490 they left some Fort Worth firemen to two 886 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:44,410 guarding and all the Secret Service 887 00:42:48,510 --> 00:42:46,330 detachment went off to the Press Club 888 00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:48,520 started drinking and then about midnight 889 00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:51,430 when it was too late to bees and serving 890 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:53,080 drinks thanks to the Liquor Control 891 00:42:58,110 --> 00:42:55,570 Board they moved a little party up to 892 00:43:01,470 --> 00:42:58,120 the Pat Kirkwood cellar where they were 893 00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:01,480 drinking and mixed drinks until about 894 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:04,320 5:00 in the morning of the assassination 895 00:43:09,060 --> 00:43:07,750 unbelievable unbelievable listen Jim 896 00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:09,070 we're gonna we're coming up on a break 897 00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:11,320 here I want to remind everybody you're 898 00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:14,190 listening to Jim Marrs talk about his 899 00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:17,710 newly released book updated crossfire 900 00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:20,350 the plot that killed Kennedy you can get 901 00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:22,630 that at amazon.com among other places 902 00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:25,180 and you're listening to inception radio 903 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:26,260 network.com 904 00:43:29,970 --> 00:43:28,210 this is the epic voyage your show I'm 905 00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:29,980 Laurel tagged Jim we're going to take a 906 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:32,200 real quick break I want everybody to 907 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:33,910 make a note of this number eight eight 908 00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:37,450 eight nine one nine two three five five 909 00:43:42,240 --> 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--> 00:48:05,760 minutes before we started tonight and 995 00:48:10,290 --> 00:48:08,050 there hasn't it's been hard to get a 996 00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,300 word in edgewise here and it's too bad 997 00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:12,400 you weren't with us over the break but 998 00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:14,020 I'll try and bring up some of the topics 999 00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:16,660 so you can hear them let me give you the 1000 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:19,660 radio call-in line it's eight eight 1001 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:23,910 eight nine one nine two three five five 1002 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:28,090 Jim you were talking several several 1003 00:48:30,830 --> 00:48:29,770 things I want to bring up here first of 1004 00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:30,840 all we're 1005 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:33,180 about Kennedy really didn't want us 1006 00:48:38,090 --> 00:48:34,920 going into Vietnam he was planning on 1007 00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:38,100 bringing out the advisors and not 1008 00:48:41,420 --> 00:48:39,900 sending boots on the ground as they like 1009 00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:41,430 to call him now 1010 00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,380 somebody got rich off that war though 1011 00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:44,880 didn't they isn't that one of the main 1012 00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:46,740 reasons they were such a push to go into 1013 00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:51,300 it absolutely in fact when you stop and 1014 00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:55,260 look at it especially in Texas we did 1015 00:49:00,500 --> 00:48:58,740 quite well there in Vietnam or we had I 1016 00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,510 mean right up here in dallas-fort Worth 1017 00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:03,000 area we had General Dynamics and we had 1018 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:05,340 the Fort Walters over Mineral Wells 1019 00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,050 where they're training the helicopter 1020 00:49:11,330 --> 00:49:08,940 pilots and helicopters being made at 1021 00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:11,340 Bell Helicopter which is between Dallas 1022 00:49:16,550 --> 00:49:13,980 and Fort Worth and lean Tim cobalt was 1023 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,560 here Texas Instruments and not to 1024 00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:19,920 mention Brown and Root and the brown 1025 00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:22,230 brothers had put in Lyndon Johnson into 1026 00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:24,830 office back in the 40s to save a 1027 00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:27,990 electriss-- electrical dam project down 1028 00:49:34,070 --> 00:49:32,280 in South Texas and he saved that formed 1029 00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:34,080 and then they got him the contract to 1030 00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,390 build a Navy base at Corpus Christi and 1031 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:39,000 and of course Brown & Root was major 1032 00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:41,010 contractors in Vietnam and built the 1033 00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:43,260 highways and runways and but you could 1034 00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:45,270 built the whole port of Cameron Bay and 1035 00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:49,230 so you know where everybody in Texas did 1036 00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:51,390 pretty well so that's why there were a 1037 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:52,980 lot of people had nothing to do with the 1038 00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:54,450 assassination but they weren't too 1039 00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,150 inclined to try to look under the rocks 1040 00:50:01,220 --> 00:49:59,040 and find out what was actually going on 1041 00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:01,230 but I'll tell you I think the main 1042 00:50:05,650 --> 00:50:03,540 reason that so many people went along 1043 00:50:09,260 --> 00:50:05,660 with it well let me just put it this way 1044 00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:09,270 the polls show and I think anybody goes 1045 00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:11,400 travels around much and if you actually 1046 00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:14,040 get out of your own little clique in 1047 00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,880 circles you find that about half the 1048 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:19,680 country right now 1049 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:24,090 Loes President Obama okay and I think 1050 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:25,410 it's growing now that everybody's 1051 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:27,570 figured out that is Obamacare is not 1052 00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:29,490 anything like what it was cracked up to 1053 00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:30,540 be 1054 00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:33,600 but anyway and so I think in saying some 1055 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:37,920 people are very anti Obama and then so 1056 00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:40,290 if tomorrow if it was suddenly announced 1057 00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:42,750 that Obama had been assassinated 1058 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:44,110 you know all 1059 00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:46,330 half the country is going to go well you 1060 00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:48,040 know good maybe that's good for the 1061 00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:48,580 country 1062 00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:51,310 well that's today in a more 1063 00:50:59,820 --> 00:50:54,760 knowledgeable and a more open time 1064 00:51:04,290 --> 00:50:59,830 society in the calmer quieter yet more 1065 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:04,300 provincial days 1963 you can multiply 1066 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:06,850 those feelings by a factor of 10 and 1067 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:09,370 there were those who dis detested 1068 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:11,530 Kennedy and truly believed that he was a 1069 00:51:17,370 --> 00:51:14,770 threat and a danger to the country and 1070 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:17,380 unfortunately these people who felt like 1071 00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:19,570 that what and felt that way we're not 1072 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:22,150 your run-of-the-mill citizens or the man 1073 00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:24,850 on the street they were the captains of 1074 00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:27,640 industry and the officers of the 1075 00:51:33,450 --> 00:51:31,360 Pentagon and the intelligence chiefs and 1076 00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:33,460 these are all working hand in glove with 1077 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:36,790 the mafia in fact they've kept the 1078 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:39,730 researchers off balance for years by 1079 00:51:44,780 --> 00:51:42,130 trying to say well okay so who was 1080 00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:44,790 behind the assassination and once you 1081 00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:48,190 once you disregard the idea of a foreign 1082 00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,520 conspiracy even Russians or Castro or 1083 00:51:56,430 --> 00:51:53,680 whatever which has never been proven and 1084 00:51:59,520 --> 00:51:56,440 in fact there's a very obvious lack of 1085 00:52:01,260 --> 00:51:59,530 any hard evidence parting to pointing to 1086 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:01,270 the involvement and besides that you 1087 00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:03,010 have to ask yourself could Castro or 1088 00:52:07,650 --> 00:52:05,620 could Khrushchev have blocked a federal 1089 00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:07,660 investigation could they have put phony 1090 00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:09,640 documents in the FBI files 1091 00:52:13,590 --> 00:52:12,190 could they have altered evidence while 1092 00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:13,600 it was in the hands of the federal 1093 00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:16,030 authorities and the answer is no so 1094 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:19,060 you're back now to a domestic plot so 1095 00:52:24,180 --> 00:52:21,130 the question now becomes was at the CIA 1096 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:24,190 was it the Mafia was it the anti-castro 1097 00:52:31,470 --> 00:52:26,650 Cubans was that the military was it the 1098 00:52:33,930 --> 00:52:31,480 FBI and the answer is yes yes yes all of 1099 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:33,940 the above and where do you where do you 1100 00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:36,490 find all of those groups and 1101 00:52:42,540 --> 00:52:39,910 organizations intertwined in operation 1102 00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:42,550 Mongoose which was the secret war 1103 00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:46,000 against Fidel Castro headquartered out 1104 00:52:51,630 --> 00:52:48,190 of the gym wave station on the 1105 00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:51,640 University of Miami and they had offices 1106 00:52:56,290 --> 00:52:54,790 and operatives ranging around the 1107 00:52:59,320 --> 00:52:56,300 Caribbean 1108 00:53:02,350 --> 00:52:59,330 and of course Miami was the hotbed but 1109 00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:02,360 also Atlanta and also New Orleans New 1110 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:06,280 Orleans although Dallas Texas and so 1111 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:10,330 they're under operation monitors you had 1112 00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:13,490 people being trained to go against 1113 00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:15,980 Castro that included anti-castro Cubans 1114 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:20,740 US military people CIA people FBI people 1115 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:23,450 and so there and and my and they were 1116 00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:25,730 working hand in glove with the Mafia to 1117 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:29,480 provide hitmen so I think well I think 1118 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:31,970 what happened here was they simply 1119 00:53:36,610 --> 00:53:34,490 decided that before they could do 1120 00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:36,620 anything about the problem in Cuba they 1121 00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:38,630 had to do something about the problem in 1122 00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:40,910 Washington so they simply sent some of 1123 00:53:44,770 --> 00:53:43,310 the hit teams to Dallas and then they 1124 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:44,780 were able to cover the whole thing up 1125 00:53:50,530 --> 00:53:46,850 because they control the investigation 1126 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:50,540 from the very top and and there were 1127 00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:54,410 actually two other planned assassination 1128 00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:56,900 attempts in November of that year on him 1129 00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:00,800 one in Tampa and one in Chicago and one 1130 00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:03,350 of them he avoided the motorcade because 1131 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:05,390 he decided he was pretty obsessed 1132 00:54:10,270 --> 00:54:08,330 already wasn't he with the fact that he 1133 00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,280 was probably going to be shot and killed 1134 00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:13,040 it wasn't he making comments like you 1135 00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:16,580 know he was rifle I wouldn't say he was 1136 00:54:20,590 --> 00:54:18,470 obsessed but yeah he was certainly aware 1137 00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:20,600 of that possibility and you're right 1138 00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:23,030 because he had told close friends he 1139 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:24,950 said oh if they want to give me then get 1140 00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:26,450 me you know just put a guy on a rifle 1141 00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:29,030 with a rifle on a high building yeah and 1142 00:54:34,780 --> 00:54:32,120 the assassination attempt in Chicago to 1143 00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:34,790 me is especially interesting because 1144 00:54:41,290 --> 00:54:38,510 that involved the first black Secret 1145 00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:41,300 Service agent Abraham Bolden and I have 1146 00:54:48,670 --> 00:54:44,140 interviewed and spoken with Bolden and 1147 00:54:53,050 --> 00:54:48,680 he has a rough time because they they 1148 00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:53,060 they retaliated against him for blowing 1149 00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:55,910 the whistle on this Chicago plot and 1150 00:54:59,980 --> 00:54:57,710 saying they changed had to change stuff 1151 00:55:01,660 --> 00:54:59,990 up and it didn't happen but the thing 1152 00:55:05,170 --> 00:55:01,670 that's the most interesting to me is 1153 00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:05,180 that Bolden said that Chicago plot was 1154 00:55:09,550 --> 00:55:08,060 basically broken up because an FBI 1155 00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:09,560 informant 1156 00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:12,590 had bullied to word about what was going 1157 00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:15,080 to happen and it got out and so they 1158 00:55:20,170 --> 00:55:17,240 were forced to take steps and to prevent 1159 00:55:22,330 --> 00:55:20,180 it and he said he never learned the true 1160 00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:22,340 identity of this informant but he did 1161 00:55:29,260 --> 00:55:26,480 understand that his name was Lee uh and 1162 00:55:33,099 --> 00:55:29,270 this fits right in with what I have 1163 00:55:35,130 --> 00:55:33,109 determined in that Lee Harvey Oswald was 1164 00:55:37,450 --> 00:55:35,140 working as a low-level intelligence 1165 00:55:39,790 --> 00:55:37,460 operative for the United States 1166 00:55:42,490 --> 00:55:39,800 government just as his mother always 1167 00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,500 claimed yeah ok and I think that I think 1168 00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:45,440 originally he was picked up not officers 1169 00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:47,750 naval intelligence and then passed along 1170 00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:50,030 to the CIA and then after he came back 1171 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:52,520 from Russia and was in Texas I think he 1172 00:55:57,250 --> 00:55:54,650 was picked up by the FBI and was being 1173 00:55:59,500 --> 00:55:57,260 run as an informant in fact Wagner Carr 1174 00:56:01,300 --> 00:55:59,510 the Attorney General of Texas went to 1175 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:01,310 the Warren Commission and said that they 1176 00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:03,650 had information that Oswald was an FBI 1177 00:56:10,990 --> 00:56:07,369 informant and that isn't as a code name 1178 00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:11,000 was T 179 he was getting paid $200 a 1179 00:56:16,359 --> 00:56:11,540 month 1180 00:56:18,430 --> 00:56:16,369 ok so Lee along inside and he learns of 1181 00:56:21,220 --> 00:56:18,440 assassination of plot in Chicago and 1182 00:56:24,220 --> 00:56:21,230 gets back to somebody who's not in on it 1183 00:56:26,170 --> 00:56:24,230 and he breaks that one up and then I 1184 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:26,180 happen to know I can't prove this I 1185 00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:29,210 didn't put this in the in the book but I 1186 00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:32,480 know for a fact that a few weeks before 1187 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:34,070 the assassination in Dallas the Dallas 1188 00:56:39,550 --> 00:56:36,770 police received a letter from an Alex 1189 00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,560 Jay Hidell warning that Kennedy was 1190 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:41,599 going to be assassinated in Dallas and 1191 00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:43,930 that they should take extra precautions 1192 00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:46,609 this of course at the time they didn't 1193 00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:49,550 know who AJ Hidell was and they had no 1194 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:52,670 idea if this was just a nut or if it was 1195 00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:56,570 real so it just got filed away about on 1196 00:57:00,430 --> 00:56:58,130 the Monday following the Friday 1197 00:57:02,170 --> 00:57:00,440 assassination the FBI went in Dallas 1198 00:57:04,060 --> 00:57:02,180 Police Headquarters and went through 1199 00:57:05,950 --> 00:57:04,070 everything they went through the lockers 1200 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:05,960 and filing cabinets they went through 1201 00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,089 everything and it's snatching up 1202 00:57:11,980 --> 00:57:10,400 anything that they thought might have 1203 00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:11,990 something to do with the assassination 1204 00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,990 that was to even include the saddlebags 1205 00:57:19,450 --> 00:57:16,640 on the motorcycle officers and 1206 00:57:22,780 --> 00:57:19,460 motorcycles and needless to say this 1207 00:57:23,259 --> 00:57:22,790 letter from Alex Jay Hidell which was 1208 00:57:26,949 --> 00:57:23,269 also 1209 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:26,959 bawls alias went missing and of course 1210 00:57:33,069 --> 00:57:30,890 has never been seen again tell me about 1211 00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,079 it isn't that the name that he used to 1212 00:57:39,669 --> 00:57:35,599 have the rifle delivered to him by US 1213 00:57:42,099 --> 00:57:39,679 Post yes in fact when he was in fact 1214 00:57:44,109 --> 00:57:42,109 here's a very telling thing see here's 1215 00:57:46,209 --> 00:57:44,119 the thing we're all told that 1216 00:57:48,009 --> 00:57:46,219 circumstantial evidence is not very good 1217 00:57:50,259 --> 00:57:48,019 that we want the hard evidence we want 1218 00:57:52,419 --> 00:57:50,269 the smoking gun we want the fingerprints 1219 00:57:55,059 --> 00:57:52,429 and yet actually if you think about it 1220 00:57:57,219 --> 00:57:55,069 the circumstantial evidence may be the 1221 00:58:00,399 --> 00:57:57,229 best evidence because the circumstances 1222 00:58:01,659 --> 00:58:00,409 are the circumstances you can't change 1223 00:58:03,969 --> 00:58:01,669 the circumstances 1224 00:58:06,909 --> 00:58:03,979 unlike the smoking gun or the 1225 00:58:10,059 --> 00:58:06,919 fingerprints which can be planted okay 1226 00:58:10,809 --> 00:58:10,069 and fabricated and falsified and what am 1227 00:58:15,339 --> 00:58:10,819 I talking about 1228 00:58:19,479 --> 00:58:15,349 well when Oswald was arrested about 150 1229 00:58:21,939 --> 00:58:19,489 about a quarter till two after the 1230 00:58:25,539 --> 00:58:21,949 assassination which took place at 12:30 1231 00:58:27,399 --> 00:58:25,549 p.m. on that Friday and then they took 1232 00:58:30,849 --> 00:58:27,409 him a while to get the dolly station 1233 00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:30,859 Polly 20 maybe in 30 minutes and so it 1234 00:58:34,839 --> 00:58:32,689 would have been close to 2:30 by the 1235 00:58:38,219 --> 00:58:34,849 time he got to Dallas Lee's headquarters 1236 00:58:40,899 --> 00:58:38,229 and they in on him they found two 1237 00:58:43,749 --> 00:58:40,909 different identifications one says he's 1238 00:58:46,629 --> 00:58:43,759 Alex James hydel the other says he's Lee 1239 00:58:49,509 --> 00:58:46,639 Harvey Oswald and they're saying okay 1240 00:58:52,269 --> 00:58:49,519 who are you and he's being uncooperative 1241 00:58:55,269 --> 00:58:52,279 he said you're the cops figure it out 1242 00:58:57,309 --> 00:58:55,279 and so two hours after the shooting the 1243 00:58:59,229 --> 00:58:57,319 Dallas police he had just received their 1244 00:59:02,019 --> 00:58:59,239 suspect and they weren't even sure of 1245 00:59:03,549 --> 00:59:02,029 who he was and yet at that exact time 1246 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:03,559 according to documents that were 1247 00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:07,249 released in 1977 J Edgar Hoover head of 1248 00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:09,529 the FBI calls Bobby Kennedy and says we 1249 00:59:14,349 --> 00:59:11,209 have her man in Dallas it's Lee Harvey 1250 00:59:16,539 --> 00:59:14,359 Oswald his next marine a communist he's 1251 00:59:19,269 --> 00:59:16,549 pretty defected to Russia he is a 1252 00:59:22,089 --> 00:59:19,279 mean-spirited individual in the category 1253 00:59:24,849 --> 00:59:22,099 of a nut so he's already given out with 1254 00:59:28,229 --> 00:59:24,859 this lone nut' scenario and has a full 1255 00:59:30,429 --> 00:59:28,239 rundown on Lee Harvey Oswald when the 1256 00:59:32,019 --> 00:59:30,439 authorities at the scene weren't even 1257 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:32,029 sure who they had in custody 1258 00:59:37,890 --> 00:59:35,410 and let me 1259 00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:37,900 to that gym that at almost exactly the 1260 00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:41,140 same time right around two o'clock LBJ 1261 00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:44,260 is getting sworn in on board Air Force 1262 00:59:48,839 --> 00:59:47,140 One with Kennedy's body there because 1263 00:59:50,099 --> 00:59:48,849 they took Kennedy they insisted on 1264 00:59:51,809 --> 00:59:50,109 taking him out of the middle of the 1265 00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,819 autopsy and wouldn't let him finish it 1266 00:59:57,539 --> 00:59:54,160 and put him on the airplane to take him 1267 01:00:00,359 --> 00:59:57,549 back up north front so they can evidence 1268 01:00:02,849 --> 01:00:00,369 and yes and that was totally against the 1269 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:02,859 law by the way right because at that 1270 01:00:07,710 --> 01:00:05,130 time there was no law of federal law 1271 01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:07,720 regarding assassination of the president 1272 01:00:12,839 --> 01:00:09,670 United States so at that time legally 1273 01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:12,849 this was a Texas homicide and under the 1274 01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:16,150 law there had to be an inquest by a 1275 01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:16,960 coroner 1276 01:00:21,299 --> 01:00:18,760 before you could do anything with the 1277 01:00:24,089 --> 01:00:21,309 body and yet they pull guns and we're 1278 01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:24,099 cursing and pushing and shoving and they 1279 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:25,900 pushed the Texas authorities out of the 1280 01:00:32,579 --> 01:00:29,970 way and they hauled Kennedy's body up to 1281 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:32,589 Bethesda Naval Hospital for the autopsy 1282 01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,530 and they said this was on orders of his 1283 01:00:40,289 --> 01:00:37,839 successor Lyndon Johnson so in other 1284 01:00:42,930 --> 01:00:40,299 words one of the first actions that 1285 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:42,940 Lyndon Johnson took upon becoming 1286 01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:45,130 president of the United States was to 1287 01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:50,230 violate the laws of his own State it's 1288 01:00:55,319 --> 01:00:52,990 it's just stunning to say something 1289 01:00:57,390 --> 01:00:55,329 about the Jack Ruby connection that's 1290 01:01:00,029 --> 01:00:57,400 that's another whole fascinating story 1291 01:01:04,019 --> 01:01:00,039 and how he's connected with the the mob 1292 01:01:07,529 --> 01:01:04,029 in New Orleans and he also knew and had 1293 01:01:10,140 --> 01:01:07,539 been seen with Oswald the months 1294 01:01:13,019 --> 01:01:10,150 preceding the assassination right that's 1295 01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:13,029 true in fact I had some of them I now 1296 01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:14,740 had been violently tough someone 1297 01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:16,329 probably a lot of probably dead by now 1298 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:19,089 but at the time knowing what I know now 1299 01:01:23,819 --> 01:01:21,730 I could have produced more than 15 1300 01:01:26,339 --> 01:01:23,829 witnesses who could place Oswald and 1301 01:01:28,740 --> 01:01:26,349 Ruby together before the assassination 1302 01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,750 they were mixed up in this whole thing 1303 01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:30,880 together that's another thing let me 1304 01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:33,369 point out I'm trying to make the point 1305 01:01:39,150 --> 01:01:37,180 that Oswald was not just some innocent 1306 01:01:41,579 --> 01:01:39,160 Patsy just you know some guy off the 1307 01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:41,589 street that they picked up no he was 1308 01:01:44,849 --> 01:01:43,510 involved in this whole thing but I think 1309 01:01:47,650 --> 01:01:44,859 is a low-level 1310 01:01:51,819 --> 01:01:47,660 intelligence agent or 1311 01:01:54,940 --> 01:01:51,829 FBI informant okay and but I don't think 1312 01:01:57,460 --> 01:01:54,950 he did the shooting he was exactly what 1313 01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:57,470 he said he was the Patsy 1314 01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:00,799 and so in Jack Ruby played a role in 1315 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:04,670 that for one thing there is a note that 1316 01:02:09,730 --> 01:02:08,210 surfaced that shows that in 1947 they 1317 01:02:11,950 --> 01:02:09,740 were having hearings of the 1318 01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:11,960 unamerican Activities Committee and they 1319 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:14,319 were looking into organized crime and 1320 01:02:21,789 --> 01:02:17,930 the head of the committee got a note 1321 01:02:24,339 --> 01:02:21,799 that said that one Jacob Rubinstein 1322 01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:24,349 which was Jack Ruby's real name of 1323 01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:26,569 Chicago and that's where he was from I 1324 01:02:32,890 --> 01:02:30,230 said is there thinking about calling him 1325 01:02:34,809 --> 01:02:32,900 to testify before the house on American 1326 01:02:36,839 --> 01:02:34,819 Activities Committee and we're asking 1327 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:36,849 that you not do that because he is 1328 01:02:42,370 --> 01:02:39,770 performing information functions for 1329 01:02:44,380 --> 01:02:42,380 congressman Richard Nixon so you got 1330 01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:44,390 Jack Ruby and Richard Nixon tied 1331 01:02:52,089 --> 01:02:48,799 together it's fall back as 1947 Wow Wow 1332 01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:52,099 and the key to rubies is shooting Oswald 1333 01:02:58,059 --> 01:02:55,369 obviously he got the word he was the guy 1334 01:03:00,010 --> 01:02:58,069 on the scene he was in and out he all 1335 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:00,020 the cops knew him he knew all the cops 1336 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:02,690 everybody came to his carousel club and 1337 01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:04,970 hang out and he gave him free drinks and 1338 01:03:10,359 --> 01:03:07,460 unlike that just like Pat Kirkwood did 1339 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:10,369 over in Fort Worth and he was kind of 1340 01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:12,170 the go-between between the police and 1341 01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:15,200 them and the mobsters okay and he tried 1342 01:03:20,890 --> 01:03:19,039 to kind of play both sides and so he was 1343 01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:20,900 obvious choice to get into the Dallas 1344 01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:23,839 Police Department and kill Oswald and 1345 01:03:28,779 --> 01:03:26,480 silence him but of course they've argued 1346 01:03:31,450 --> 01:03:28,789 against that pretty successfully over 1347 01:03:33,069 --> 01:03:31,460 the years by saying well a few minutes 1348 01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:33,079 you know they were supposed to transfer 1349 01:03:37,870 --> 01:03:35,420 Oswald at 10 o'clock on that Sunday 1350 01:03:40,029 --> 01:03:37,880 morning and it was not until about 11:20 1351 01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:40,039 almost an hour and a half later before 1352 01:03:45,279 --> 01:03:42,230 they actually transferred him and just 1353 01:03:49,329 --> 01:03:45,289 about five or ten minutes before they 1354 01:03:52,180 --> 01:03:49,339 moved Oswald ruby was next door to 1355 01:03:55,569 --> 01:03:52,190 western union office sending a telegram 1356 01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:55,579 to one of his dancers and you know that 1357 01:04:00,039 --> 01:03:58,010 was clocked in so they know he was there 1358 01:04:01,450 --> 01:04:00,049 at that point and so that's why they 1359 01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:01,460 came up with this idea the 1360 01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:03,710 somehow he just strolled down the ramp 1361 01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:05,990 into the Dallas Police Station and just 1362 01:04:10,030 --> 01:04:07,849 happened to be there when they 1363 01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:10,040 transferred Oswald and just happened to 1364 01:04:15,970 --> 01:04:13,089 in a state of grief and not wanting to 1365 01:04:18,609 --> 01:04:15,980 have mrs. Kennedy have to come back to 1366 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:18,619 testify at a trial he just pulled out 1367 01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:22,130 his little 38 and he shot Oswald you 1368 01:04:29,310 --> 01:04:25,369 know all right as they is a great act of 1369 01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:29,320 vengeance and stuff and it's all hogwash 1370 01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:33,680 because the reality is is that even some 1371 01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:34,700 people in the Dallas Police Department 1372 01:04:40,060 --> 01:04:37,609 realize this today that he came down the 1373 01:04:42,609 --> 01:04:40,070 back alley and was let into the basement 1374 01:04:44,050 --> 01:04:42,619 of the dolly stations I some Dallas 1375 01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:44,060 police officer okay 1376 01:04:48,849 --> 01:04:47,089 now the key to it is is not that ruby 1377 01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:48,859 knew when they were going to transfer 1378 01:04:54,730 --> 01:04:51,500 Oswal in fact i suspect he was dragging 1379 01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:54,740 his feet you know he knew everybody they 1380 01:04:58,329 --> 01:04:56,990 had made public announcement that they 1381 01:05:01,000 --> 01:04:58,339 were going to move Oswald at ten o'clock 1382 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:01,010 so you know he should have been in there 1383 01:05:04,510 --> 01:05:03,170 at ten o'clock but he wasn't dragged his 1384 01:05:06,070 --> 01:05:04,520 feet for almost an hour and a half 1385 01:05:09,609 --> 01:05:06,080 because he didn't really want to do that 1386 01:05:11,380 --> 01:05:09,619 but you don't say no to the Mafia you 1387 01:05:15,490 --> 01:05:11,390 know they say you do something you just 1388 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:15,500 do it and so the key to the shooting of 1389 01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:18,650 Oswald is not that Ruby knew when they 1390 01:05:22,690 --> 01:05:20,390 were going to transfer Oswald but just 1391 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:22,700 you just reverse it they didn't move 1392 01:05:28,750 --> 01:05:25,130 Oswal until ruby was in position to 1393 01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:28,760 shooting right right and like you were 1394 01:05:33,820 --> 01:05:30,800 talking about circumstantial evidence I 1395 01:05:36,990 --> 01:05:33,830 mean it how the pieces fit together so 1396 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:37,000 tightly I don't know how you can deny it 1397 01:05:42,339 --> 01:05:39,530 did did you say anything about the 1398 01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:42,349 Secret Service washing down the car the 1399 01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:46,790 limo after at LBJ's insistence before it 1400 01:05:53,020 --> 01:05:48,790 can even be treated as a crime scene 1401 01:05:55,570 --> 01:05:53,030 well remember I said that Johnson and 1402 01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:55,580 Hoover were guilty as accessories that's 1403 01:05:59,710 --> 01:05:57,410 a fact and there's one there Johnson 1404 01:06:02,620 --> 01:05:59,720 ordered the car cleaned up and shipped 1405 01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:02,630 out and rebuilt and sent off and they 1406 01:06:08,099 --> 01:06:05,030 repainted it and and all before there 1407 01:06:10,780 --> 01:06:08,109 was any kind of forensic or ballistic 1408 01:06:13,329 --> 01:06:10,790 forensic check of the car that's 1409 01:06:15,350 --> 01:06:13,339 destruction of evidence if here I did 1410 01:06:18,050 --> 01:06:15,360 that in connection with a capital murder 1411 01:06:20,420 --> 01:06:18,060 we'd be thrown in jail well and I guess 1412 01:06:22,610 --> 01:06:20,430 their excuse would be well I mean we we 1413 01:06:24,350 --> 01:06:22,620 know he shot him and it's just too bad 1414 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:24,360 somebody shot him before we could take 1415 01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:26,490 him to justice but there wasn't a crime 1416 01:06:31,310 --> 01:06:27,660 scene because we knew what happened 1417 01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:31,320 right right well now that's the case on 1418 01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:33,180 Ruby you know they could say well we 1419 01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,500 don't in you heavens everybody in the 1420 01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:36,720 world saw him get shot all right on deep 1421 01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:38,700 you know yeah but this was the 1422 01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:41,160 presidential limousine right this was I 1423 01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:43,020 mean you know just think about it the 1424 01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,790 president's riding in an open limousine 1425 01:06:50,210 --> 01:06:47,280 shots are fired nobody saw anybody 1426 01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:50,220 shooting nobody saw somebody fire from 1427 01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:51,900 the sixth floor nobody saw anything 1428 01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:53,400 there were shots 1429 01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:55,980 Kenny's hit you would think that that 1430 01:07:01,460 --> 01:06:58,290 limousine would become prime evidence 1431 01:07:03,890 --> 01:07:01,470 because you could then forensically 1432 01:07:05,660 --> 01:07:03,900 study the limousine and find out which 1433 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:05,670 direct how many shots were fired in 1434 01:07:09,980 --> 01:07:07,650 which direction they came from Accessory 1435 01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:09,990 cetera yeah so by ordering the car 1436 01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:13,110 destroyed and rebuilt that was nothing 1437 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:15,510 but blatant destruction of evidence yeah 1438 01:07:22,420 --> 01:07:17,730 same thing with governor Connolly's 1439 01:07:25,220 --> 01:07:22,430 clothes that was taken into position by 1440 01:07:28,970 --> 01:07:25,230 Congressman Henry Gonzales of Texas and 1441 01:07:31,580 --> 01:07:28,980 then cliff Carter Johnson's aide shows 1442 01:07:33,050 --> 01:07:31,590 up and says oh I'm here to get Governor 1443 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:33,060 Connally clothing for the Warren 1444 01:07:37,580 --> 01:07:35,850 Commission and and he said well okay and 1445 01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:37,590 they turned them turned over Connolly's 1446 01:07:43,070 --> 01:07:40,140 clothes which could have shown you you 1447 01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:43,080 know the bullet holes in the clothes 1448 01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,750 could tell you where the shots came from 1449 01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:48,240 and and various you know you might even 1450 01:07:51,050 --> 01:07:49,980 pick up traces of the medals and things 1451 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:51,060 like that 1452 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:53,610 in other words forensic evidence and yet 1453 01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:55,770 when the college clothing is presented 1454 01:07:58,970 --> 01:07:57,000 the Warren Commission had been cleaned 1455 01:08:02,060 --> 01:07:58,980 and pressed that's amazing 1456 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:02,070 destroyed the evidence amazing and and 1457 01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:03,450 that's not even talking about the 1458 01:08:14,030 --> 01:08:09,000 evidence in for example in the FBI filed 1459 01:08:17,650 --> 01:08:14,040 a document they released about 1968 was 1460 01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:17,660 an FBI report stating that paper 1461 01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:20,640 wrapping paper available in the scoober 1462 01:08:26,810 --> 01:08:23,580 depository matched paper that they said 1463 01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:26,820 was shaped into a shape of a gun case 1464 01:08:30,769 --> 01:08:28,920 that I was all used to smuggle 1465 01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:30,779 the rifle into the depository building 1466 01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:33,000 well that's pretty incriminating but in 1467 01:08:40,959 --> 01:08:36,839 1980 the the same looking document comes 1468 01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:40,969 out from a whole batch of FBI files same 1469 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:46,560 report same agent same file number same 1470 01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,890 date and it says the paper did not match 1471 01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:52,799 the wrapping paper in the School Book 1472 01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:55,650 Depository well no wait a minute you got 1473 01:09:00,559 --> 01:08:58,020 two FBI reports and they say that 1474 01:09:03,289 --> 01:09:00,569 diametrically opposite what's going on 1475 01:09:05,959 --> 01:09:03,299 here well and bi was created about that 1476 01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:05,969 and the spokesman said well the document 1477 01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,310 that said they don't match it that's a 1478 01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:10,799 phony document well excuse me 1479 01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:12,870 how many phony documents are in the 1480 01:09:18,559 --> 01:09:16,620 hands of the FBI well then and who could 1481 01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:18,569 do that only only the most powerful 1482 01:09:23,209 --> 01:09:21,000 forces in the country right yeah and I 1483 01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:23,219 couldn't go up and slip a phony document 1484 01:09:30,769 --> 01:09:27,150 into the FBI father no and several of 1485 01:09:34,729 --> 01:09:30,779 the people who testified the day of the 1486 01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:34,739 shooting and and days afterwards claimed 1487 01:09:39,979 --> 01:09:37,049 that when they saw their final testimony 1488 01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,989 in the Warren Commission paperwork they 1489 01:09:43,340 --> 01:09:41,759 said it had been altered some of them 1490 01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:43,350 said that their testimonies weren't even 1491 01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:46,380 in there that's right it's exactly right 1492 01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:48,420 and in fact if you want to get real 1493 01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:52,020 blatant about it the Newman family who 1494 01:09:57,169 --> 01:09:54,540 were probably the closest to Kennedy at 1495 01:09:59,540 --> 01:09:57,179 the time of the fatal head shot they 1496 01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:59,550 were never even questioned by the Warren 1497 01:10:03,979 --> 01:10:01,860 Commission is why not because Bill 1498 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:03,989 Newman was on Dallas television within 1499 01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:06,090 an hour or so of the shooting and he 1500 01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:08,160 said well the shots came from up behind 1501 01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:11,670 us on that Knoll okay Randall they're 1502 01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:13,230 already on the record saying the shots 1503 01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:15,540 came from the grassy knoll so the Warren 1504 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:22,310 this is the father and the wife and the 1505 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:24,210 two little kids and the the parents 1506 01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:26,370 threw their bodies over the kids on the 1507 01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:30,710 ground right right yeah very dramatic oh 1508 01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:34,080 my it's not like and it's not like you 1509 01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:36,300 couldn't find the Newman's he went into 1510 01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:38,489 the electrical contracting business and 1511 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:40,620 they had Newman electric over in Dallas 1512 01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:42,330 he's in the phonebook 1513 01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:45,720 talked to him many times okay it's not 1514 01:10:50,780 --> 01:10:47,910 like they were unaccessible or couldn't 1515 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:50,790 really could find them and they just 1516 01:10:54,710 --> 01:10:52,890 didn't want to hear from that back I'll 1517 01:10:59,300 --> 01:10:54,720 tell you another person do you know who 1518 01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:59,310 Evelyn Lincoln was yes yes Kennedy's 1519 01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:01,380 personal secretary uh-huh 1520 01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,720 and she was at his elbow day and night 1521 01:11:08,660 --> 01:11:06,000 and if anyone knew what was really going 1522 01:11:11,090 --> 01:11:08,670 on it would have been Evelyn Lincoln now 1523 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:11,100 Laura let me ask you this how many times 1524 01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:13,050 you remember seeing an interview with 1525 01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:17,640 Evelyn Lincoln you've never seen one hey 1526 01:11:25,070 --> 01:11:20,070 no no you know why because I have a 1527 01:11:27,260 --> 01:11:25,080 letter from her dated about 1996 I think 1528 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:27,270 she's passed away now but in this letter 1529 01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:30,570 she states I I believe there was a 1530 01:11:35,210 --> 01:11:32,340 conspiracy because there were those that 1531 01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:35,220 wanted to get rid of him and you know 1532 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:37,680 didn't didn't know any other way and she 1533 01:11:44,930 --> 01:11:39,690 said the five conspirators are Lyndon 1534 01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:44,940 Johnson Jagger Hoover the Mafia CIA and 1535 01:11:50,180 --> 01:11:47,880 the Cubans in Florida so Geoffrey well 1536 01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:50,190 had it nailed that yeah yeah and she 1537 01:11:53,210 --> 01:11:51,900 knew and that's why you never saw an 1538 01:11:54,260 --> 01:11:53,220 interview with her because she probably 1539 01:11:56,030 --> 01:11:54,270 tell you the truth 1540 01:11:59,650 --> 01:11:56,040 well as she probably knew that if she 1541 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:02,090 which brings us to a question in the 1542 01:12:05,020 --> 01:12:03,330 chat room I've got a couple of other 1543 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:05,030 questions too but 1544 01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,730 mysterious deaths this entire thing and 1545 01:12:12,710 --> 01:12:11,040 and now I'm thinking about the fella I 1546 01:12:16,130 --> 01:12:12,720 can't remember his name who was up in 1547 01:12:18,980 --> 01:12:16,140 the railroad dispatched our Lee Bowers 1548 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:18,990 yeah he's only one of many but say 1549 01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:20,610 something about the mysterious death 1550 01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:24,000 that happened to witnesses well I don't 1551 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:27,900 want to get trapped but by calling them 1552 01:12:32,570 --> 01:12:29,970 mysterious deaths because I've done the 1553 01:12:36,860 --> 01:12:32,580 hammered by the debunkers am I talking 1554 01:12:38,540 --> 01:12:36,870 about mysterious for one thing if you go 1555 01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:38,550 and check my book you'll find I don't 1556 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:41,460 even refer to them as mysterious death I 1557 01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:44,730 simply call them convenient today okay 1558 01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:47,190 they were certainly convenient for 1559 01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:49,560 anyone who did not want the truth of the 1560 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:53,310 assassination to come out and in fact I 1561 01:12:59,130 --> 01:12:55,210 had a complete listing of those 1562 01:13:01,169 --> 01:12:59,140 in crossfire and I paired some of that 1563 01:13:04,260 --> 01:13:01,179 down to get other information in but 1564 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:04,270 still it's all there I think one of the 1565 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:06,610 most telling things well the two things 1566 01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:08,170 first off within the first couple of 1567 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:12,310 years there's like 25 people that could 1568 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:14,170 have been critical material witnesses 1569 01:13:21,899 --> 01:13:17,650 who all died and most of them unnatural 1570 01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:21,909 deaths okay shot one car accidents a 1571 01:13:26,669 --> 01:13:23,830 heart attacks or whatever you know and 1572 01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:26,679 you never know but the one that really 1573 01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:29,440 got me was in 1977 when the House Select 1574 01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:32,050 Committee on assassinations was underway 1575 01:13:39,979 --> 01:13:36,070 they had subpoenaed seven believers 1576 01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:39,989 seven FBI officials who had all 1577 01:13:44,490 --> 01:13:42,580 participated in the FBI's investigation 1578 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:44,500 of the Kennedy assassination and they 1579 01:13:48,959 --> 01:13:46,690 were all subpoenaed to come testify and 1580 01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:48,969 all of them died before they can testify 1581 01:13:54,330 --> 01:13:51,310 while including including William 1582 01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,340 Sullivan the third ranking man in the in 1583 01:14:00,600 --> 01:13:57,280 the FBI okay Wow 1584 01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:00,610 who was shot in his backyard by the son 1585 01:14:06,209 --> 01:14:03,310 of a New Hampshire State policeman and 1586 01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:06,219 the local sheriff said well I knew both 1587 01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:08,110 the policeman and his son I knew 1588 01:14:13,470 --> 01:14:11,350 Sullivan so he recused himself from the 1589 01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:13,480 investigation and turned it over to the 1590 01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:16,239 animal control officer not filled out a 1591 01:14:21,689 --> 01:14:19,270 form and when it said victim animal or 1592 01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:21,699 human check human and that was about the 1593 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:23,650 extent of that investigation oh my 1594 01:14:29,490 --> 01:14:25,810 goodness did you say you've got a list 1595 01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:29,500 of all of these convenient yeah there's 1596 01:14:33,959 --> 01:14:31,030 a whole chain there's a whole chapter on 1597 01:14:37,290 --> 01:14:33,969 that and in crossfire oh my gosh 1598 01:14:40,649 --> 01:14:37,300 that's me now I didn't include everyone 1599 01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:40,659 because obviously after say 20 30 years 1600 01:14:45,090 --> 01:14:43,000 and then you're obviously you're going 1601 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:45,100 to have some nutrition oh sure through 1602 01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:47,770 natural causes but I think now the 1603 01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:50,710 number of stretches up into the past a 1604 01:14:57,570 --> 01:14:54,640 hundred of people who knew things and 1605 01:14:59,790 --> 01:14:57,580 also what got me is once you start 1606 01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,800 studying these convenient deaths you 1607 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:01,840 find that they they go into groupings 1608 01:15:06,689 --> 01:15:05,050 okay like I said the first 20 or 25 1609 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:06,699 occurred within a couple of years and 1610 01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:08,570 they were mostly people in New Jack 1611 01:15:14,170 --> 01:15:11,450 Ruby I knew what was going on around the 1612 01:15:16,150 --> 01:15:14,180 Dallas underworld okay and there it's 1613 01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:16,160 suddenly they're all gone and then it 1614 01:15:21,310 --> 01:15:19,550 kind of died off and then around 68 1615 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:21,320 around 68 1616 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:27,370 you had the Gerson Kyle and David Ferrie 1617 01:15:33,580 --> 01:15:31,010 in his ex-roommate allow the old evolve 1618 01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,590 and several other people there and 1619 01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:35,600 connected in New Orleans they turned up 1620 01:15:42,010 --> 01:15:39,490 dead okay and so then it kind of went 1621 01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:42,020 quiet again for a while and then when 1622 01:15:45,250 --> 01:15:42,590 the house 1623 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:45,260 assassinations committee came into being 1624 01:15:49,420 --> 01:15:46,970 and started subpoenaing people then 1625 01:15:51,340 --> 01:15:49,430 you've got George de Mohrenschildt the 1626 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:51,350 last known close friend of Oswald he 1627 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:53,210 could suddenly commit suicide you've got 1628 01:15:58,780 --> 01:15:56,090 Johnny Roselli found murdered and 1629 01:16:01,360 --> 01:15:58,790 stuffed in a in a kick barrel and Key 1630 01:16:03,340 --> 01:16:01,370 Biscayne you've got these seven FBI guys 1631 01:16:06,610 --> 01:16:03,350 you know and all these important people 1632 01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:06,620 oh and I love Sam Giancana the Mafia 1633 01:16:11,650 --> 01:16:09,110 bosses Chicago was under federal 1634 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:11,660 protection but one night they stepped 1635 01:16:15,490 --> 01:16:13,370 out to get a sandwich and just in that 1636 01:16:18,220 --> 01:16:15,500 little time while they're gone somebody 1637 01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,230 comes in his house and kills him and so 1638 01:16:21,550 --> 01:16:20,000 you know all of a sudden all these 1639 01:16:23,370 --> 01:16:21,560 people are supposed to testify the house 1640 01:16:26,650 --> 01:16:23,380 committee they're all dead and gone and 1641 01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:26,660 and it just kind of goes on and on it's 1642 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:28,910 it's really an amazing story and again 1643 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:31,010 this is evidence oh they could they die 1644 01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,770 yeah that's very convenient no all of 1645 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:35,600 that you just described is extremely 1646 01:16:40,990 --> 01:16:39,050 convenient a couple more questions I'm 1647 01:16:43,420 --> 01:16:41,000 going to give out that telephone number 1648 01:16:45,730 --> 01:16:43,430 one more time eight eight eight nine one 1649 01:16:47,890 --> 01:16:45,740 nine two three five five it's your 1650 01:16:49,930 --> 01:16:47,900 chance to talk to Jim Marrs in person 1651 01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:49,940 and ask him your question about the JFK 1652 01:16:56,980 --> 01:16:53,840 assassination two last questions I have 1653 01:16:58,960 --> 01:16:56,990 for you Jim unless something else comes 1654 01:17:02,590 --> 01:16:58,970 in what do you what do you have to say 1655 01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:02,600 about Lincoln Abraham Lincoln vs. JFK 1656 01:17:09,070 --> 01:17:04,220 have you spent any time thinking about 1657 01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:09,080 that over these years oh yeah there's a 1658 01:17:12,820 --> 01:17:10,670 big connection that I'm not sure 1659 01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,830 everybody's familiar with I think a lot 1660 01:17:18,220 --> 01:17:15,040 of people have seen these incredible 1661 01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:18,230 coincidences you know are the parallels 1662 01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:20,510 between the Kennedy assassination and 1663 01:17:27,209 --> 01:17:23,460 the Lincoln assassination exam 1664 01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:27,219 Lincoln had a kid he had a secretary 1665 01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:30,760 named Lincoln and Lincoln had a 1666 01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,760 secretary named Kennedy you know and it 1667 01:17:37,529 --> 01:17:35,440 just goes on and on and it's almost 1668 01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:37,539 enough to make you go wait a minute 1669 01:17:41,609 --> 01:17:40,030 something's going on here but I'll tell 1670 01:17:43,290 --> 01:17:41,619 you the thing that strikes me and I 1671 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:43,300 think this is one of the key three 1672 01:17:48,569 --> 01:17:45,130 reasons that Kennedy was assassinated 1673 01:17:50,759 --> 01:17:48,579 and it wasn't just an assassination it 1674 01:17:52,529 --> 01:17:50,769 was a public execution and it was 1675 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:52,539 carried out for the same reason that we 1676 01:17:58,379 --> 01:17:55,090 publicly execute criminals and that is 1677 01:18:00,120 --> 01:17:58,389 to serve as a deterrent to anyone who 1678 01:18:02,189 --> 01:18:00,130 would consider following in his 1679 01:18:08,459 --> 01:18:02,199 footsteps and doing the things he was 1680 01:18:10,410 --> 01:18:08,469 trying to do okay and so you the three 1681 01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:10,420 things I think that got Kennedy killed 1682 01:18:14,729 --> 01:18:12,550 was we've already touched on one which 1683 01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:14,739 was the fact that he was not going to 1684 01:18:21,810 --> 01:18:18,340 prosecute the Vietnam War as it came to 1685 01:18:24,029 --> 01:18:21,820 actually be I think I'm not sure if he 1686 01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:24,039 he was talking about pulling out but 1687 01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:26,050 even if he hadn't pulled out I'm pretty 1688 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:27,369 convinced he would have never have 1689 01:18:32,189 --> 01:18:29,530 allowed the introduction of ground 1690 01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:32,199 combat troops in Vietnam and we would 1691 01:18:36,209 --> 01:18:34,510 not have had to be at Nam war as we did 1692 01:18:38,970 --> 01:18:36,219 but of course the military-industrial 1693 01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:38,980 complex as I've now called it they 1694 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:41,920 wanted that war second thing the second 1695 01:18:46,169 --> 01:18:43,690 thing has to do with the money in the 1696 01:18:49,620 --> 01:18:46,179 bankers which was a big deal started in 1697 01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:49,630 2008 and the 1% and the new world order 1698 01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:52,449 okay and Wall Street and the fact that 1699 01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:55,690 we've been raped for billions of dollars 1700 01:18:59,970 --> 01:18:56,800 in this country 1701 01:19:02,189 --> 01:18:59,980 trillions actually and nobody's gone to 1702 01:19:04,379 --> 01:19:02,199 jail except Burning Man half and that 1703 01:19:08,430 --> 01:19:04,389 said because he was ripping off the 1704 01:19:13,700 --> 01:19:08,440 ripoff artists and so what we find out 1705 01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:13,710 is that in June of 1970 at 63 Kennedy 1706 01:19:20,729 --> 01:19:16,719 ordered the issuance of 4.2 billion 1707 01:19:23,490 --> 01:19:20,739 dollars in United States notes now these 1708 01:19:26,189 --> 01:19:23,500 are this is money that has produced not 1709 01:19:27,930 --> 01:19:26,199 to the interest-bearing Federal Reserve 1710 01:19:31,740 --> 01:19:27,940 System but through the Treasury 1711 01:19:36,090 --> 01:19:31,750 Department based on our silver reserves 1712 01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:36,100 and that's a silver back currency 1713 01:19:41,190 --> 01:19:38,650 so it's really not worth any more than a 1714 01:19:43,260 --> 01:19:41,200 Federal Reserve dollar except we don't 1715 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:43,270 have to pay interest on it and that's 1716 01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:45,370 the national debt is all this interest 1717 01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:47,500 we have yes the international bankers 1718 01:19:53,130 --> 01:19:49,630 you know for all his money that we're 1719 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:53,140 creating based on our debt and so he 1720 01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:55,330 bypassed the Federal Reserve System was 1721 01:20:00,960 --> 01:19:58,960 going to print his own money he became 1722 01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,970 the second president in US history to 1723 01:20:06,140 --> 01:20:03,040 try that and the first one was 1724 01:20:09,540 --> 01:20:06,150 interestingly enough Abraham Lincoln who 1725 01:20:11,460 --> 01:20:09,550 who SATA stated that he thought the 1726 01:20:13,050 --> 01:20:11,470 greatest creative power that government 1727 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:13,060 has is the power to print its own money 1728 01:20:18,650 --> 01:20:16,330 and so he printed up greenbacks to 1729 01:20:21,330 --> 01:20:18,660 finance the War Between the States and 1730 01:20:23,130 --> 01:20:21,340 Laurel I'm here to tell you I don't 1731 01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:23,140 think it was just a coincidence that 1732 01:20:29,220 --> 01:20:25,420 both of those presidents were shot in 1733 01:20:31,170 --> 01:20:29,230 the head in public yeah yeah what what 1734 01:20:33,390 --> 01:20:31,180 we know I mean that's such a hot topic 1735 01:20:37,620 --> 01:20:33,400 right now and the circles that you and I 1736 01:20:40,590 --> 01:20:37,630 both know Jim about the the New World 1737 01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:40,600 Order and and the Rothschilds and the 1738 01:20:47,460 --> 01:20:44,980 bushes and all of those banking families 1739 01:20:50,490 --> 01:20:47,470 throughout time and there's way less 1740 01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:50,500 than 1% of them in terms of the 1741 01:20:55,980 --> 01:20:52,510 population of the earth oh they are just 1742 01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:55,990 about everything everything absolutely 1743 01:21:02,220 --> 01:20:59,440 and that's nothing - I've named Lyndon 1744 01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:02,230 Johnson and Jagger Hoover as guilty in 1745 01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:05,110 the Kennedy assassination not for 1746 01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:07,090 ordering or orchestrating it but for 1747 01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:08,440 simply because they were accessories 1748 01:21:13,530 --> 01:21:10,770 after the fact they helped cover it up 1749 01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:13,540 but and I'm here to tell you I am NOT 1750 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:15,910 one of these who thinks that Lyndon 1751 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:17,050 Johnson 1752 01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:18,970 you know ordered the whole thing and 1753 01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:20,800 concocted the whole thing there are some 1754 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:22,540 books and some people out now claiming 1755 01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:24,490 this I don't particularly buy this 1756 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:26,830 because it was Johnson murderers enough 1757 01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:28,330 to do that absolutely 1758 01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:30,880 would he have joined in on assassination 1759 01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:31,360 plot 1760 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:34,480 yes but was he powerful enough to pull 1761 01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:36,280 something like that off by himself and 1762 01:21:40,230 --> 01:21:38,290 I'm paying it ain't I maintained no I 1763 01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:40,240 don't think he could have done nobody 1764 01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:41,860 could have moved against the president 1765 01:21:48,270 --> 01:21:44,080 unless Wall Street gave him to go ahead 1766 01:21:49,380 --> 01:21:48,280 yeah and and Plus Johnson had a lot of 1767 01:21:52,350 --> 01:21:49,390 his own enemies 1768 01:21:54,990 --> 01:21:52,360 and was thought of more as a almost a 1769 01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:55,000 thug and not so much a powerful man 1770 01:22:02,100 --> 01:21:57,930 except out of a thuggish kind of a way 1771 01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:02,110 exactly so it was just him equally 1772 01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:04,510 powerful people would have figured out a 1773 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:08,200 way to to implicate him or get him out 1774 01:22:12,030 --> 01:22:10,330 of the way one way or another the fact 1775 01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:12,040 that they all got away with it and 1776 01:22:18,090 --> 01:22:15,190 Johnson kept his piece shows me or 1777 01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:18,100 indicates to me that there were powerful 1778 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:20,760 supporters behind him and I'm thinking 1779 01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:24,370 wall street David Rockefeller for 1780 01:22:29,730 --> 01:22:27,060 example had published at his own expense 1781 01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:29,740 full-page ads in the New York Times of 1782 01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:32,520 blasting Kennedy's economic policies 1783 01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:35,710 they and they were all down on Kennedy 1784 01:22:42,380 --> 01:22:38,080 because he was he and his secretary of 1785 01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:42,390 the Treasury were trying to cut back and 1786 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:45,040 the power of the Federal Reserve System 1787 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:47,170 and you just don't mess with those 1788 01:22:53,460 --> 01:22:50,410 international bankers no you do not only 1789 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:53,470 at your own peril Jim was in you're in 1790 01:22:58,050 --> 01:22:55,810 the movie who was can you tell us who 1791 01:23:03,090 --> 01:22:58,060 mr. X was supposed to be that was played 1792 01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,100 by Donald Sutherland yes okay actually 1793 01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:06,480 that was Colonel Fletcher Prouty 1794 01:23:12,990 --> 01:23:09,550 who I spoke with on several occasions a 1795 01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:13,000 great I hold him in very high regard but 1796 01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:14,560 here's the problem 1797 01:23:19,770 --> 01:23:16,780 as you know Oliver Stone caught so much 1798 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:19,780 flak anyway for that movie and if he had 1799 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:22,210 portrayed the guy and named him as a 1800 01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:26,050 colonel prowdy the naysayers would have 1801 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:28,000 been well he's just making stuff up 1802 01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:30,570 because Jim Garrison never met with 1803 01:23:36,110 --> 01:23:32,710 Colonel cloudy at the time of the 1804 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:36,120 assassination or at the time of the 1805 01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:39,010 prosecution in New Orleans of Clay Shaw 1806 01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:42,100 and that's correct actually it was much 1807 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:45,910 later that garrison wasn't got in touch 1808 01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:47,890 with proudly and got this inside view 1809 01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:50,470 but now at the time he did go to 1810 01:23:55,050 --> 01:23:53,080 Washington and he met with a military 1811 01:23:58,020 --> 01:23:55,060 intelligence operative named Richard 1812 01:24:01,410 --> 01:23:58,030 case Nagle and Nagel sitting down and 1813 01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:01,420 told him a lot of things so stone wanted 1814 01:24:05,770 --> 01:24:02,090 to you 1815 01:24:08,020 --> 01:24:05,780 a character who was an inside source a 1816 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:08,030 deep throat if you will and he wanted to 1817 01:24:13,089 --> 01:24:10,570 give out the information that garrison 1818 01:24:15,339 --> 01:24:13,099 ultimately learned from Colonel proudiy 1819 01:24:16,930 --> 01:24:15,349 but he couldn't use proud his name 1820 01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:16,940 because they would say well that didn't 1821 01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:19,010 happen at that time period and so he's 1822 01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:21,190 just making stuff up so what he did was 1823 01:24:27,399 --> 01:24:24,560 yeah he made a composite character and 1824 01:24:29,649 --> 01:24:27,409 he called him mr. X but it was actually 1825 01:24:32,050 --> 01:24:29,659 Richard K smegal and Colonel Fletcher 1826 01:24:35,589 --> 01:24:32,060 Prouty and beautifully played by dollar 1827 01:24:37,629 --> 01:24:35,599 Donald Sutherland I must say exact and 1828 01:24:44,649 --> 01:24:37,639 everything stole everything Sullivan 1829 01:24:47,470 --> 01:24:44,659 says is is basically what proud he told 1830 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:47,480 garrison but in later years huh 1831 01:24:53,370 --> 01:24:51,050 well Jim we we don't have but about five 1832 01:24:58,450 --> 01:24:53,380 minutes left and so here's here's the 1833 01:25:01,570 --> 01:24:58,460 climactic question in just a lesson two 1834 01:25:03,339 --> 01:25:01,580 weeks it's gonna be 50 years I mean a 1835 01:25:07,300 --> 01:25:03,349 lot of water a lot of water has gone 1836 01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:07,310 under the bridge in 50 years why why 1837 01:25:11,919 --> 01:25:10,250 will the powers that be whoever you want 1838 01:25:14,890 --> 01:25:11,929 to say that is why will no one 1839 01:25:18,580 --> 01:25:14,900 acknowledge this and claim yeah we did 1840 01:25:20,290 --> 01:25:18,590 this okay again I've been asked time and 1841 01:25:22,030 --> 01:25:20,300 time again over the years will ever 1842 01:25:23,919 --> 01:25:22,040 learn the truth about the Kennedy 1843 01:25:25,780 --> 01:25:23,929 assassination and again they're not 1844 01:25:28,030 --> 01:25:25,790 asking the right question because what 1845 01:25:29,919 --> 01:25:28,040 they're we know the truth now if you'll 1846 01:25:33,490 --> 01:25:29,929 study the evidence and you'll find that 1847 01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:33,500 there was cover-up obfuscation at the 1848 01:25:37,419 --> 01:25:35,360 highest level of federal government 1849 01:25:39,459 --> 01:25:37,429 which this is what turns what was 1850 01:25:40,839 --> 01:25:39,469 actually just a Texas homicide into a 1851 01:25:43,870 --> 01:25:40,849 national coup d'etat 1852 01:25:46,209 --> 01:25:43,880 but the reason but so what they're 1853 01:25:47,620 --> 01:25:46,219 actually asking is will there ever be a 1854 01:25:50,109 --> 01:25:47,630 day when they'll hold a news conference 1855 01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:50,119 and some federal official will get up 1856 01:25:53,890 --> 01:25:51,710 and go okay okay here's what really 1857 01:25:55,450 --> 01:25:53,900 happened to President Kennedy and I'm 1858 01:25:55,870 --> 01:25:55,460 here to tell you no that ain't going to 1859 01:25:58,270 --> 01:25:55,880 happen 1860 01:26:00,490 --> 01:25:58,280 and why not because there are too many 1861 01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:00,500 families too many companies too many 1862 01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:03,170 organizations too many relatives too 1863 01:26:07,629 --> 01:26:05,330 many people who thought it was probably 1864 01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:07,639 a good thing that Kennedy was taken out 1865 01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:10,489 and they're still around and they're our 1866 01:26:14,219 --> 01:26:12,770 sons daughters and offspring they're 1867 01:26:16,799 --> 01:26:14,229 still around 1868 01:26:20,819 --> 01:26:16,809 and they simply don't want to go through 1869 01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:20,829 the travail of saying yes okay here's 1870 01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:22,690 what really happened but I think the key 1871 01:26:27,390 --> 01:26:25,360 thing is this if they ever officially 1872 01:26:30,750 --> 01:26:27,400 admit that there was a coup d'etat in 1873 01:26:32,549 --> 01:26:30,760 this country in 1963 that means every 1874 01:26:34,649 --> 01:26:32,559 administration since the Johnson 1875 01:26:37,589 --> 01:26:34,659 administration is an illegal 1876 01:26:40,859 --> 01:26:37,599 illegitimate administration and you can 1877 01:26:43,319 --> 01:26:40,869 just imagine what a heyday the lawyers 1878 01:26:46,189 --> 01:26:43,329 would have by saying well this was a 1879 01:26:48,449 --> 01:26:46,199 this was a coup this was an illegitimate 1880 01:26:50,370 --> 01:26:48,459 government and so all the laws that's 1881 01:26:53,399 --> 01:26:50,380 been passed all the regulations have 1882 01:26:56,279 --> 01:26:53,409 been passed all of the government 1883 01:26:59,819 --> 01:26:56,289 policies you know the bombing and 1884 01:27:02,370 --> 01:26:59,829 droning killings everything's gone on 1885 01:27:04,949 --> 01:27:02,380 it's all illegal you know it would it 1886 01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:04,959 would throw everything into chaos and so 1887 01:27:08,069 --> 01:27:06,760 they just can't ever admit that they'll 1888 01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:08,079 never admit it 1889 01:27:12,899 --> 01:27:10,090 so it's going to end up kind of like 1890 01:27:15,239 --> 01:27:12,909 Pearl Harbor you know even as young man 1891 01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:15,249 even back in the 40s and 50s I heard 1892 01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,729 that Roosevelt and a handful of others 1893 01:27:23,279 --> 01:27:21,280 in Washington knew the Pearl Harbor was 1894 01:27:24,839 --> 01:27:23,289 going to be attacked on that Sunday 1895 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:24,849 morning but they didn't do anything 1896 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:26,530 about it they allowed it to happen 1897 01:27:31,379 --> 01:27:28,690 because it fit their political agenda 1898 01:27:33,629 --> 01:27:31,389 which was to get an aroused and United 1899 01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:33,639 American people in the World War two now 1900 01:27:38,549 --> 01:27:36,249 that's been a controversy all through 1901 01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:38,559 the years but by today the serious 1902 01:27:43,589 --> 01:27:40,780 researchers it's no longer a controversy 1903 01:27:45,060 --> 01:27:43,599 that's what happened okay but a lot of 1904 01:27:47,129 --> 01:27:45,070 people still don't realize that because 1905 01:27:49,589 --> 01:27:47,139 they don't just come out and tell you 1906 01:27:51,719 --> 01:27:49,599 that in the news it's old news now so 1907 01:27:54,089 --> 01:27:51,729 nobody knows about it except those who 1908 01:27:56,399 --> 01:27:54,099 study the history and this is what's 1909 01:27:57,899 --> 01:27:56,409 going to happen here another 50 years 1910 01:28:00,209 --> 01:27:57,909 everybody's going to talk about the coup 1911 01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:00,219 of 1963 and they're just going on like 1912 01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:01,570 well yeah I'm gonna stop that in school 1913 01:28:05,580 --> 01:28:03,940 I know about that it's only the people 1914 01:28:07,709 --> 01:28:05,590 like you and I who live through it and 1915 01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,719 who were told one thing and then it 1916 01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:09,760 struggled for 50 years to try to get our 1917 01:28:12,259 --> 01:28:11,409 heads around the idea that it was 1918 01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:12,269 something else 1919 01:28:19,890 --> 01:28:17,590 gosh well folks this is your last chance 1920 01:28:21,949 --> 01:28:19,900 if you want to call one more time we're 1921 01:28:24,660 --> 01:28:21,959 offering eight eight eight nine one nine 1922 01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:24,670 two three five five Jim I know you've 1923 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:28,000 got a website Jim Marrs com 1924 01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:30,670 I've signed on there and I am very proud 1925 01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,080 to say I'm a Martian yeah I need to I 1926 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:37,600 need to do more on that but as soon as I 1927 01:28:42,630 --> 01:28:40,570 figure out the some really inside dirt 1928 01:28:44,910 --> 01:28:42,640 I'll put it in the Martian Thanks 1929 01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:44,920 hey just out of curiosity just give me 1930 01:28:49,020 --> 01:28:47,110 an estimate how many pages are your 1931 01:28:51,870 --> 01:28:49,030 references your list of references for 1932 01:28:54,630 --> 01:28:51,880 this book oh we're just met I can tell 1933 01:28:58,350 --> 01:28:54,640 you it's got to be yeah I know that the 1934 01:29:00,660 --> 01:28:58,360 index runs to 30 pages oh my that's a 1935 01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:00,670 lot okay and let me see here the notes 1936 01:29:16,710 --> 01:29:03,330 run from I don't know how's your math 1937 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:16,720 page 557 to 525 Oh No to 579 so 7a is 6n 1938 01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:21,850 717 yeah yeah about 30 pages of yeah 1939 01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:25,440 right Wow Wow in small print probably 1940 01:29:34,170 --> 01:29:30,220 yeah Wow absolutely well I know that you 1941 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:34,180 are one of the highly attracted speakers 1942 01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:38,050 at the epic voyagers meetings they're in 1943 01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:40,510 Grapevine monthly and I know that 1944 01:29:46,530 --> 01:29:42,930 there's at least a few of your 1945 01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:46,540 presentations on YouTube right oh yeah 1946 01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:48,310 and I think this is going to be more and 1947 01:29:52,940 --> 01:29:50,170 also I'm putting fish and touches on a 1948 01:29:55,230 --> 01:29:52,950 video oh that would be available 1949 01:29:59,730 --> 01:29:55,240 wonderful and where will we find that 1950 01:30:02,970 --> 01:29:59,740 when it comes out it will be on my video 1951 01:30:05,300 --> 01:30:02,980 channel which i think is jim marrs I 1952 01:30:08,930 --> 01:30:05,310 think yeah I don't know I haven't 1953 01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:08,940 totally gotten into that yet okay okay 1954 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:11,650 but in other words if we check with your 1955 01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:13,810 website Jim Marrs calm would be able to 1956 01:30:20,250 --> 01:30:16,650 find that yes yes I'm definitely gonna 1957 01:30:21,780 --> 01:30:20,260 inform everybody oh and and I'll tell 1958 01:30:23,700 --> 01:30:21,790 you what if you want to see some of this 1959 01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:23,710 evidence for yourself there's going to 1960 01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:26,230 be the epic meeting on December the 15th 1961 01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:30,130 of the grapevine Convention Center okay 1962 01:30:34,410 --> 01:30:32,560 and I forget what time about one o'clock 1963 01:30:36,780 --> 01:30:34,420 I think an afternoon on the Sunday 1964 01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:36,790 afternoon December 15 and I'll be 1965 01:30:41,609 --> 01:30:40,630 presenting my program to the epic group 1966 01:30:44,399 --> 01:30:41,619 there 1967 01:30:46,260 --> 01:30:44,409 yes that you and you then you don't have 1968 01:30:49,410 --> 01:30:46,270 to worry about do you want to believe me 1969 01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:49,420 you can see the evidence for yourself 1970 01:30:54,060 --> 01:30:51,730 folks anybody that's anywhere near North 1971 01:30:55,740 --> 01:30:54,070 Texas I know ken had Ken sherry the 1972 01:30:57,930 --> 01:30:55,750 president of epic had been talking about 1973 01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,940 trying to get you in I'm glad to hear 1974 01:31:02,010 --> 01:30:59,679 that he got you scheduled on that so 1975 01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:02,020 that's 12:15 which is a Sunday in 1976 01:31:12,570 --> 01:31:07,360 Grapevine go to epic voyagers EP icbo y 1977 01:31:13,890 --> 01:31:12,580 AG ers dot-com and you've got the map 1978 01:31:15,839 --> 01:31:13,900 and the instructions and everything 1979 01:31:17,490 --> 01:31:15,849 there that you can find the meeting 1980 01:31:21,899 --> 01:31:17,500 place it usually happens at 2:00 in the 1981 01:31:24,180 --> 01:31:21,909 afternoon and as I said check out Jim's 1982 01:31:26,339 --> 01:31:24,190 presentations through epic there on the 1983 01:31:30,450 --> 01:31:26,349 youtube channel just put in Jim Marrs 1984 01:31:32,490 --> 01:31:30,460 and he'll pop up we've got some pretty 1985 01:31:35,060 --> 01:31:32,500 good shows coming up here at epic 1986 01:31:37,109 --> 01:31:35,070 voyages scheduled for you Kevin cook 1987 01:31:40,020 --> 01:31:37,119 next week we'll be talking to Heidi 1988 01:31:43,260 --> 01:31:40,030 Hollis dr. Rainey Louise a week after 1989 01:31:45,180 --> 01:31:43,270 that I'm coming back on December the 2nd 1990 01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:45,190 and I'll be talking to Scotty Robertson 1991 01:31:50,399 --> 01:31:47,409 dr. John Ward about their new book the 1992 01:31:51,930 --> 01:31:50,409 Exodus reality and the week after that 1993 01:31:54,270 --> 01:31:51,940 I'll be back talking to Scott Wolter 1994 01:31:57,839 --> 01:31:54,280 who's second season of America on earth 1995 01:32:01,379 --> 01:31:57,849 is getting ready to start on TV 1996 01:32:04,649 --> 01:32:01,389 Aaron dr. Aaron Jenkin we'll be back on 1997 01:32:08,820 --> 01:32:04,659 the 16th the 23rd and January the 6th 1998 01:32:11,010 --> 01:32:08,830 talking about ancient paganism a 1999 01:32:14,459 --> 01:32:11,020 Christmas special about the Star of 2000 01:32:16,379 --> 01:32:14,469 Bethlehem and Mike McDaniels new book 2001 01:32:18,750 --> 01:32:16,389 about judging angels so we've got a 2002 01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:18,760 whole lot of really good shows lined up 2003 01:32:24,899 --> 01:32:20,639 for you here on Monday nights on 2004 01:32:27,089 --> 01:32:24,909 inception Radio Network comm Jim you 2005 01:32:29,070 --> 01:32:27,099 were wonderful absolutely a delight to 2006 01:32:32,399 --> 01:32:29,080 talk to Oh 2007 01:32:34,620 --> 01:32:32,409 Thank You Loren and don't trust me just 2008 01:32:36,510 --> 01:32:34,630 go study this for yourself you find out 2009 01:32:39,229 --> 01:32:36,520 everything I told you is true of course 2010 01:32:42,510 --> 01:32:39,239 obviously you've done your homework too 2011 01:32:44,430 --> 01:32:42,520 somewhat here is so excited will you 2012 01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:44,440 sign books if we buy them through Jim's 2013 01:32:51,930 --> 01:32:49,449 website well I'm not really set to do 2014 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:51,940 that but if they can make it to the epic 2015 01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:53,930 meeting I'd be glad to sign them a book 2016 01:32:58,210 --> 01:32:56,210 yep I knew that so if you're anywhere 2017 01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:58,220 near North Texas or if you want to get 2018 01:33:03,430 --> 01:33:00,320 in touch with ken cherry through the 2019 01:33:06,700 --> 01:33:03,440 epic voyagers dot-com website we'll get 2020 01:33:09,310 --> 01:33:06,710 you one sign for sure so you go Jim 2021 01:33:13,090 --> 01:33:09,320 happy happy birthday a little early and 2022 01:33:15,850 --> 01:33:13,100 eat up in case of gooey cake for me all 2023 01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:15,860 right I will and thank you so much and I 2024 01:33:23,260 --> 01:33:19,930 just remember always question authority 2025 01:33:26,260 --> 01:33:23,270 yeah definitely probably I say disobey 2026 01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:26,270 but always question yes actually 2027 01:33:31,540 --> 01:33:29,120 absolutely I agree with that okay folks 2028 01:33:41,690 --> 01:33:31,550 we'll see you here next week 2029 01:33:46,140 --> 01:33:43,710 thank you for being with us tonight 2030 01:33:47,610 --> 01:33:46,150 please join us again next Monday evening 2031 01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:47,620 for extraordinary phenomenon 2032 01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,380 investigations Council's epic voyages